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The whole thing is such a terrible, short-sighted justification. The logic being used is setting a precedent to ban or backdoor any encrypted non-moderated for
by Reedx 6y ago
The whole thing is such a terrible, short-sighted justification. The logic being used is setting a precedent to ban or backdoor any encrypted non-moderated form of communication. e.g., Signal and Telegram.
- bananabreakfast 6y agoThat's an absurd jump to take. The subject is about a platform that is specifically moderated. This has nothing to do with non-moderated communication
- bpodgursky 6y agoSo... Parler is worse because there is _minimal_ moderation, but _no_ moderation is totally fine? That doesn't really seem consistent with any set of guiding principles.
- scoopertrooper 6y agoI don’t use either service, but the critical difference in my mind is that telegram is point-to-point or point-to-small-number-of-points medium whereas Parler aspired to be a means of mass-communication. In my mind, one holds a different level of accountability when sharing private thoughts with friends as opposed to when wielding an insurrectionist bullhorn. No doubt radical groups are sustained by access to private encrypted messaging, but they cannot grow into the sort of movement that fuelled the attempted coup that took place on 6January without wielding the reigns of mass propaganda. I am all for freedom of speech, but liberty is not a death pact. We can’t sit idle while this group, that very nearly interrupted the peaceful transfer of power, openly recruits and plans their next attack.
- bpodgursky 6y agoI think you have it exactly backwards. The actual violent intruders last week absolutely coordinated plans around bombs / guns / etc via DMs and small private groups. The mass gathering was propagated via Twitter-style broadcasts sure, but not the actual violent plots. Those will effortlessly move onto Signal.
- scoopertrooper 6y agoMany were almost certainly radicalised through social and alt-right mass media though. You can’t blame the opening at the end of the pipeline for the water coming out. Furthermore, I was checking in on right wing sites like theDonald.win in the lead up to 6 jan. The loudest voices all argued that the Democratic Party had systemically rigged the election, constitutional remedies had failed them, so the only response available was to fertilise the tree of liberty. I didn’t sneak into a private telegram group or discord server. This is what these people were saying openly on popular websites that anybody could wander into without so much as making an account. The same was true of charlottesville, sure parts were undoubtedly organised secretly, but facists like Baked Alaska were live streaming the whole thing - complete with antisemitic commentary. This nonsense has to end.
- rbanffy 6y agoAlso keep in mind Parler and Gab were explicitly designed for the far right that claimed wasn't being treated fairly by Facebook and Twitter (which we now know is not factually correct).
- ketamine__ 6y agoThe founder of Gab was kicked out of YC, right?
- rbanffy 6y agoI wouldn't be surprised if he got kicked out of a lot of places.
- oceanplexian 6y agoSaying something like “Refresh the tree of liberty” or “hang the traitors” etc. still doesn’t rise to the level of illegal speech or an imminent call to violence which is the standard under the law. In fact, if you were to claim language like that crosses the line we would have to pull books off library shelves because the same language has been used repeatedly by politicians in American History. I’ve also seen similar language used in reference to Trunp like “He will get what’s coming to him if he comes to our city” etc. It’s distasteful but it’s legal and part of our political culture.
- mensetmanusman 6y agoNone of the radicals used parler.
- UncleMeat 6y agoGreenwald appears to have conjured this claim out of thin air.
- AnthonyMouse 6y agohttps://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348620818016841729 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348620818016841729 > For those asking the basis for that last claim: I spent the weekend reporting on the removal of Parler from the internet, including reviewing lots of documents and interviewing people associated with the companies involved, including Parler. > The article will be up shortly. (The article is the one this discussion is attached to.)
- lagr01 6y agoThis evidence puts into question the quality of such review https://gizmodo.com/every-deleted-parler-post-many-with-users-location-dat-1846032466 https://gizmodo.com/every-deleted-parler-post-many-with-user...
- AnthonyMouse 6y agoWhat evidence? The article just says they downloaded all the posts. Am I missing the one where they reference the events at the capitol? The main exodus to Parler happened after Trump was banned from Twitter, i.e. after the events in question.
- lagr01 6y agohttps://gizmodo.com/parler-users-breached-deep-inside-u-s-capitol-building-1846042905 https://gizmodo.com/parler-users-breached-deep-inside-u-s-ca... "The data, obtained by a computer hacker through legal means ahead of Parler’s shutdown on Monday, offers a bird’s eye view of its users swarming the Capitol grounds after receiving encouragement from President Trump — and during a violent breach that sent lawmakers and Capitol Hill visitors scrambling amid gunshots and calls for their death. GPS coordinates taken from 618 Parler videos analyzed by Gizmodo has already been sought after by FBI as part of a sweeping nationwide search for potential suspects, at least 20 of whom are already in custody."
- BigToach 6y agoYes, private messaging and public broadcasting deserve different treatment.
- ska 6y agoIt only seems inconsistent because you are comparing apples and oranges, signal and telegram are in a different category entirely to parler and twitter.
- mr_toad 6y agoSignal and Telegram are private communications. Signal doesn’t even know what the contents of these communications are. Twitter and Parler are mostly public forums.