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Of course a landlord can throw you out on a moment's notice if your use of the property is illegal and presents a clear and present mortal danger to public safe

by raldi 6y ago

Of course a landlord can throw you out on a moment's notice if your use of the property is illegal and presents a clear and present mortal danger to public safety.

mattigames 6y ago
Yep, on many states something as simple as doing drugs is enough to kick you out at a moments notice even if are making no damage to the property. A digital platform being used to orchestrate the destroying of government buildings as well as planning the kidnap of gov officials and making death threats should get more lenience? Get outta here.
- kflzufkrbzi 6y ago
  So if amazon found any illegal messages on twitter they would be justified to shutdown twitter without notice?
  - bsenftner 6y ago
    "Illegal messages" such as the planning of a coordinated attack on anyone with the intent of killing and altering law? You're goddamned right!
  - mattigames 6y ago
    This wasn't one of the ways Parlor was being used, was the ONLY way it was being used, there were not thousands of scientists, mathematicians or people from all the politican spectrum like Twitter there, so any comparison with big social networks is misguided to put it mildly.
  - toofy 6y ago
    Twitter can make a good-faith argument they attempt to remove content that is questionable or that incites violence–they can point to millions of accounts and posts they’ve removed for those very reasons. The ceo of parler can not.
aqsalose 6y ago
Where I live, while the use of leased property in various unacceptable and/or illegal activities is a basis for canceling the contract and subsequent eviction (among other reasons more directly relevant to housing), one generally needs an order of court to evict a tenant if they protest. This applies to both housing and business proprties, though people's homes have greater protections. Also, in some situations here the landlord may lose the grounds to proceed if they won't press the issue as soon as they become aware of it. This is exactly to avoid situations where the one side arbitrarily decides throw the book on whatever the other's activities they can pin down on them. (Whether the comparison is adequate depends ofc if AWS has consistently made complaints to Parler about the objectionable content. Their message included a part where they pointed out they had requested moderation action earlier, so I suppose they have.) I can see the issues relevant to cloud hosting are different enough so that analogies are not 1-1 anyway. In general, it is a good principle that content that encourages violence and other illegalities is removed from the public. It would be still also a good idea to have procedures where the hosted party could protest if they are engaging in illegal acts or other breach of contract claimed by other party and the enforcement is applied equally.
- raldi 6y ago
  In what part of the United States can a tenant not be immediately evicted for illegally presenting a clear and present mortal danger to public safety?
  - Karunamon 6y ago
    What kind of "clear and present mortal danger to public safety" would involve an eviction before contacting the authorities and likely arrest (followed by abandonment and eviction in absentia)?
    - raldi 6y ago
      Landlord overhears tenant saying, “I’ve got a bunch of guns in my apartment and I’m going to start a massacre”. Landlord is entirely justified in immediately changing the locks and contacting law enforcement after.

by raldi 6y ago

Of course a landlord can throw you out on a moment's notice if your use of the property is illegal and presents a clear and present mortal danger to public safety.

mattigames 6y ago

Yep, on many states something as simple as doing drugs is enough to kick you out at a moments notice even if are making no damage to the property. A digital platform being used to orchestrate the destroying of government buildings as well as planning the kidnap of gov officials and making death threats should get more lenience? Get outta here.

kflzufkrbzi 6y ago
So if amazon found any illegal messages on twitter they would be justified to shutdown twitter without notice?
- bsenftner 6y ago
  "Illegal messages" such as the planning of a coordinated attack on anyone with the intent of killing and altering law? You're goddamned right!
- mattigames 6y ago
  This wasn't one of the ways Parlor was being used, was the ONLY way it was being used, there were not thousands of scientists, mathematicians or people from all the politican spectrum like Twitter there, so any comparison with big social networks is misguided to put it mildly.
- toofy 6y ago
  Twitter can make a good-faith argument they attempt to remove content that is questionable or that incites violence–they can point to millions of accounts and posts they’ve removed for those very reasons. The ceo of parler can not.

aqsalose 6y ago

Where I live, while the use of leased property in various unacceptable and/or illegal activities is a basis for canceling the contract and subsequent eviction (among other reasons more directly relevant to housing), one generally needs an order of court to evict a tenant if they protest. This applies to both housing and business proprties, though people's homes have greater protections. Also, in some situations here the landlord may lose the grounds to proceed if they won't press the issue as soon as they become aware of it. This is exactly to avoid situations where the one side arbitrarily decides throw the book on whatever the other's activities they can pin down on them. (Whether the comparison is adequate depends ofc if AWS has consistently made complaints to Parler about the objectionable content. Their message included a part where they pointed out they had requested moderation action earlier, so I suppose they have.) I can see the issues relevant to cloud hosting are different enough so that analogies are not 1-1 anyway. In general, it is a good principle that content that encourages violence and other illegalities is removed from the public. It would be still also a good idea to have procedures where the hosted party could protest if they are engaging in illegal acts or other breach of contract claimed by other party and the enforcement is applied equally.

raldi 6y ago
In what part of the United States can a tenant not be immediately evicted for illegally presenting a clear and present mortal danger to public safety?
- Karunamon 6y ago
  What kind of "clear and present mortal danger to public safety" would involve an eviction before contacting the authorities and likely arrest (followed by abandonment and eviction in absentia)?
  - raldi 6y ago
    Landlord overhears tenant saying, “I’ve got a bunch of guns in my apartment and I’m going to start a massacre”. Landlord is entirely justified in immediately changing the locks and contacting law enforcement after.