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Glenn Greenwald never disappoints me. He is spot on once again. For years all of these conspiracy theories, calls for violence and allegations of fraud make it

Glenn Greenwald never disappoints me. He is spot on once again. For years all of these conspiracy theories, calls for violence and allegations of fraud make it to the front page of Twitter/Facebook/YouTube for any user that shows interest in similar topics. However, the day that a competitor decides to openly embrace this content, Silicon Valley goes against it like a pack of predators. I guess they want a monopoly in being the only platforms allowed to subvert democracies. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/former-twitter-employees-charged-with-spying-for-saudi-arabia-by-digging-into-the-accounts-of-kingdom-critics/2019/11/06/2e9593da-00a0-11ea-8bab-0fc209e065a8_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/former-twit... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-48349671 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-48349671

mushbino 6y ago
What he's saying about Parler is easily provable as false: https://www.abc4.com/news/top-stories/i-have-guns-and-ammo-virtual-trail-left-behind-by-trump-supporters-killed-during-capitol-riot/ https://www.abc4.com/news/top-stories/i-have-guns-and-ammo-v... I used to love Glenn, But I don't know what happened to him after Snowden. He's been an unapologetic hypocritical bootlicker ever since.
- freedomben 6y ago
  I'm not seeing the contradiction here. Are you suggesting that Greenwald denied that Parler was used for planning/coordination? Perhaps you missed this paragraph? > It is true that one can find postings on Parler that explicitly advocate violence or are otherwise grotesque. But that is even more true of Facebook, Google-owned YouTube, and Twitter. And contrary to what many have been led to believe, Parler’s Terms of Service includes a ban on explicit advocacy of violence, and they employ a team of paid, trained moderators who delete such postings. Those deletions do not happen perfectly or instantaneously — which is why one can find postings that violate those rules — but the same is true of every major Silicon Valley platform.
  - brown9-2 6y ago
    Yesterday he was claiming that no one arrested was an active Parler user, he moves the goal posts https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1349028384110731264?s=21 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/13490283841107312...
    - sthnblllII 6y ago
      I hadnt even heard of it before it was banned. Dismissing one of the few genuine voices on the left because of a misperception is supercilious. Edit: It looks like Greenwald wasnt even wrong about what he said, people are just accusing him of lying for some reason https://twitter.com/evanchill/status/1349097133186707457?s=20 https://twitter.com/evanchill/status/1349097133186707457?s=2... Edit: Has the left accomplished all of its goals? No? Then it needs to figure out what its doing wrong.
      - brown9-2 6y ago
        I’m not dismissing him because of one mistake, I dismiss him because the only lens he looks at anything through anymore is how the it’s all actually the left or the media’s fault.
    - g0rbongler 6y ago
      Yeah Greenwald has transformed into a conspiracy-nut / troll since leaving the Intercept and starting his substack.
      - dralley 6y ago
        Looooong before then.
      - sthnblllII 6y ago
        Would you like to make a substantive criticism or just use ad homonym?
        6y ago
- lupire 6y ago
  He's not a "bootlicker". He lost his faith in the US and became (more of) a fan of Russia. (Parler is run by a CEO who married a politically prominent Russian (not Russian-American) spouse with essentially zero ties to the USA.)
  - himinlomax 6y ago
    Ah yes, Greenwald is a big fan of Russia and their progressive gay-friendly agenda. "Have you know shame Senator McCarthy"
  - DevKoala 6y ago
    Greenwald a fan of Russia is one of the funniest jokes I have heard lately.
    - cwkoss 6y ago
      With the state of American politics today, saying "I don't think we have enough evidence to conclusively tie ____ to Russia" is sufficient evidence for a significant chunk of the population to accuse the speaker of being "in the pocket of Russia". Unfortunately.
  - JarlUlvi 6y ago
    Russia Russia Russia is today's Blood Libel. A fabrication to be hung on any adversary as a means to delegitimize them. That you'd claim that a leading journalist writing about Civil Liberties somehow became a fan of Russia is a great example of that, and a disservice to polite discourse.
- bsenftner 6y ago
  Totally agree, he's become a boot licker.
- jakearmitage 6y ago
  What? Glenn has done crucial work against Bolsonaro's corruption in Brazil, so much that he's been charged and persecuted with bogus allegations: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/prosecutors-in-brazil-charge-american-journalist-with-cybercrimes-after-lava-jato-revelations/2020/01/21/fd98a5a4-3c6a-11ea-afe2-090eb37b60b1_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/prosecutor... https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brazil-sergio-moro-corruption-lato-javo-bolsonaro-intercept-glenn-greenwald-a8982486.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brazil-sergio-moro-corr... https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/glenn-greenwald-charged-cybercrimes-brazil-164157228.html https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/glenn-greenwald-charged-... His family has been threatened and he is constantly targeted by the far right in Brazil. How ignorant and naive you must be to call him a bootlicker?
- jolincost 6y ago
  But his main point is that free speech is curtailed unevenly, which isn't false. You just feel betrayed that he went from criticism government to criticizing corporate, and to calling out the double standards in the culture that protect liberals, and punish conservatives, which as a "tolerant centrist" you should be against. Instead you call him a gimp while it's your attitude that sounds like unapologetic hypocrisy feverishly licking the boots of whoever you're no longer allowed to criticize... As George Carlin (i think) said, that tells you who's in charge and what they fear. I'm sure they thank you for supporting their cause.
ehsankia 6y ago
Let's look at how great of a point Greenwald is making. > they created a social media platform similar to Twitter but which promised far greater privacy protections. Not stripping EXIF data, getting social security number from users, using the trial version of their IAM system, poorly coded allowing everyone to exfiltrate the data and god knows how many other exploits. So much for privacy... > As Silicon Valley censorship radically escalated over the past several months — banning pre-election reporting by The New York Post about the Biden family Yeah, what happened to that? Looks like they suddenly stopped caring about that, and no one ever managed to corroborate the obviously fake news pushed by NYP. Let's not forget how Carlson went on a whole fake drama about "losing incriminating papers", but then when UPS found the papers, suddenly Carlson says he no longer wants to spill secrets about hunters private life... What? This whole thing is BS. The Pirate Bay was deplatformed orders of magnitude harder than Parler ever did and they survived just fine. Parler was just created by a bunch of people who had no clue what they were doing, and they crumbled by their own inaptitude.
- chillwaves 6y ago
  Thanks for this. Society needs to start setting a higher bar for public discourse all around. Tired of these bullshit conspiracy theories running rampant on certain media platforms. There have been dozens of them since the election alone and not a single one has been validated. You would think people would be tired of being obviously fooled over and over, but it seems every time another fake story comes along, they take the bait.
- mlthoughts2018 6y ago
  Greenwald is unrecognizable from the Snowden era. It’s like a dementia victim morphing into a completely different person. Very sad to see him like this. The Hunter Biden article fiasco is embarrassing for him, and this makes it appear he is just doubling down in tabloid garbage right-leaning-for-attention nonsense.
  - brown9-2 6y ago
    The US has one of its worst, most cruel, presidential administrations in its history and the only subject he is obsessed with critiquing is the left and media and tech companies.
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Tokkemon 6y ago
Glenn is off his rocker and has been for a while. This is not some arbitrary action.
jmull 6y ago
It was actually the day Silicon Valley realized Parler was a platform for recruiting, planning, and executing a violent insurrection to end democracy in the US that they all ran in the opposite direction. Perhaps these companies are all secretly happy for the excuse, but there’s no question they did the right thing in this case. The president and his supporters are unrepentant, proud of their successes, and will do more if they can.
kraf 6y ago
This whole rant looks like a personal thing for Greenwald. Ever since leaving the Intercept because of the Biden story he became very narrow minded. He's definitely in the wrong about Parler. The platforms have a rightful expectation that you can moderate the content on your site and it was proven that they have the right tools for the job. It was also shown that a huge part of the moderators were indeed MAGAs. It also seems to have incentivized users to spread disinformation [1] Additionally: wasn't there a post recently about the investors being unknown? I read speculations about a Mercer involvement but other than that little is known. How can Greenwald make naive assumptions like this only looking at the public figures? Aren't there connections to Russia that had to be investigated? (Can't find source right now, it's on HN though) [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby?lang=en https://twitter.com/donk_enby?lang=en

mushbino 6y ago

What he's saying about Parler is easily provable as false: https://www.abc4.com/news/top-stories/i-have-guns-and-ammo-virtual-trail-left-behind-by-trump-supporters-killed-during-capitol-riot/ https://www.abc4.com/news/top-stories/i-have-guns-and-ammo-v... I used to love Glenn, But I don't know what happened to him after Snowden. He's been an unapologetic hypocritical bootlicker ever since.

freedomben 6y ago
I'm not seeing the contradiction here. Are you suggesting that Greenwald denied that Parler was used for planning/coordination? Perhaps you missed this paragraph? > It is true that one can find postings on Parler that explicitly advocate violence or are otherwise grotesque. But that is even more true of Facebook, Google-owned YouTube, and Twitter. And contrary to what many have been led to believe, Parler’s Terms of Service includes a ban on explicit advocacy of violence, and they employ a team of paid, trained moderators who delete such postings. Those deletions do not happen perfectly or instantaneously — which is why one can find postings that violate those rules — but the same is true of every major Silicon Valley platform.
- brown9-2 6y ago
  Yesterday he was claiming that no one arrested was an active Parler user, he moves the goal posts https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1349028384110731264?s=21 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/13490283841107312...
  - sthnblllII 6y ago
    I hadnt even heard of it before it was banned. Dismissing one of the few genuine voices on the left because of a misperception is supercilious. Edit: It looks like Greenwald wasnt even wrong about what he said, people are just accusing him of lying for some reason https://twitter.com/evanchill/status/1349097133186707457?s=20 https://twitter.com/evanchill/status/1349097133186707457?s=2... Edit: Has the left accomplished all of its goals? No? Then it needs to figure out what its doing wrong.
    - brown9-2 6y ago
      I’m not dismissing him because of one mistake, I dismiss him because the only lens he looks at anything through anymore is how the it’s all actually the left or the media’s fault.
  - g0rbongler 6y ago
    Yeah Greenwald has transformed into a conspiracy-nut / troll since leaving the Intercept and starting his substack.
    - dralley 6y ago
      Looooong before then.
    - sthnblllII 6y ago
      Would you like to make a substantive criticism or just use ad homonym?
      - 6y ago
lupire 6y ago
He's not a "bootlicker". He lost his faith in the US and became (more of) a fan of Russia. (Parler is run by a CEO who married a politically prominent Russian (not Russian-American) spouse with essentially zero ties to the USA.)
- himinlomax 6y ago
  Ah yes, Greenwald is a big fan of Russia and their progressive gay-friendly agenda. "Have you know shame Senator McCarthy"
- DevKoala 6y ago
  Greenwald a fan of Russia is one of the funniest jokes I have heard lately.
  - cwkoss 6y ago
    With the state of American politics today, saying "I don't think we have enough evidence to conclusively tie ____ to Russia" is sufficient evidence for a significant chunk of the population to accuse the speaker of being "in the pocket of Russia". Unfortunately.
- JarlUlvi 6y ago
  Russia Russia Russia is today's Blood Libel. A fabrication to be hung on any adversary as a means to delegitimize them. That you'd claim that a leading journalist writing about Civil Liberties somehow became a fan of Russia is a great example of that, and a disservice to polite discourse.
bsenftner 6y ago
Totally agree, he's become a boot licker.
jakearmitage 6y ago
What? Glenn has done crucial work against Bolsonaro's corruption in Brazil, so much that he's been charged and persecuted with bogus allegations: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/prosecutors-in-brazil-charge-american-journalist-with-cybercrimes-after-lava-jato-revelations/2020/01/21/fd98a5a4-3c6a-11ea-afe2-090eb37b60b1_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/prosecutor... https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brazil-sergio-moro-corruption-lato-javo-bolsonaro-intercept-glenn-greenwald-a8982486.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brazil-sergio-moro-corr... https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/glenn-greenwald-charged-cybercrimes-brazil-164157228.html https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/glenn-greenwald-charged-... His family has been threatened and he is constantly targeted by the far right in Brazil. How ignorant and naive you must be to call him a bootlicker?
jolincost 6y ago
But his main point is that free speech is curtailed unevenly, which isn't false. You just feel betrayed that he went from criticism government to criticizing corporate, and to calling out the double standards in the culture that protect liberals, and punish conservatives, which as a "tolerant centrist" you should be against. Instead you call him a gimp while it's your attitude that sounds like unapologetic hypocrisy feverishly licking the boots of whoever you're no longer allowed to criticize... As George Carlin (i think) said, that tells you who's in charge and what they fear. I'm sure they thank you for supporting their cause.

ehsankia 6y ago

Let's look at how great of a point Greenwald is making. > they created a social media platform similar to Twitter but which promised far greater privacy protections. Not stripping EXIF data, getting social security number from users, using the trial version of their IAM system, poorly coded allowing everyone to exfiltrate the data and god knows how many other exploits. So much for privacy... > As Silicon Valley censorship radically escalated over the past several months — banning pre-election reporting by The New York Post about the Biden family Yeah, what happened to that? Looks like they suddenly stopped caring about that, and no one ever managed to corroborate the obviously fake news pushed by NYP. Let's not forget how Carlson went on a whole fake drama about "losing incriminating papers", but then when UPS found the papers, suddenly Carlson says he no longer wants to spill secrets about hunters private life... What? This whole thing is BS. The Pirate Bay was deplatformed orders of magnitude harder than Parler ever did and they survived just fine. Parler was just created by a bunch of people who had no clue what they were doing, and they crumbled by their own inaptitude.

chillwaves 6y ago
Thanks for this. Society needs to start setting a higher bar for public discourse all around. Tired of these bullshit conspiracy theories running rampant on certain media platforms. There have been dozens of them since the election alone and not a single one has been validated. You would think people would be tired of being obviously fooled over and over, but it seems every time another fake story comes along, they take the bait.
mlthoughts2018 6y ago
Greenwald is unrecognizable from the Snowden era. It’s like a dementia victim morphing into a completely different person. Very sad to see him like this. The Hunter Biden article fiasco is embarrassing for him, and this makes it appear he is just doubling down in tabloid garbage right-leaning-for-attention nonsense.
- brown9-2 6y ago
  The US has one of its worst, most cruel, presidential administrations in its history and the only subject he is obsessed with critiquing is the left and media and tech companies.

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Tokkemon 6y ago

Glenn is off his rocker and has been for a while. This is not some arbitrary action.

jmull 6y ago

It was actually the day Silicon Valley realized Parler was a platform for recruiting, planning, and executing a violent insurrection to end democracy in the US that they all ran in the opposite direction. Perhaps these companies are all secretly happy for the excuse, but there’s no question they did the right thing in this case. The president and his supporters are unrepentant, proud of their successes, and will do more if they can.

kraf 6y ago

This whole rant looks like a personal thing for Greenwald. Ever since leaving the Intercept because of the Biden story he became very narrow minded. He's definitely in the wrong about Parler. The platforms have a rightful expectation that you can moderate the content on your site and it was proven that they have the right tools for the job. It was also shown that a huge part of the moderators were indeed MAGAs. It also seems to have incentivized users to spread disinformation [1] Additionally: wasn't there a post recently about the investors being unknown? I read speculations about a Mercer involvement but other than that little is known. How can Greenwald make naive assumptions like this only looking at the public figures? Aren't there connections to Russia that had to be investigated? (Can't find source right now, it's on HN though) [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby?lang=en https://twitter.com/donk_enby?lang=en