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The average tenure of a sysadmin at Google is 2yrs. They burn out. In the USA, the shortening of work weeks and work hours, the reduction of unfair responsibili
by myWindoonn 6y ago
The average tenure of a sysadmin at Google is 2yrs. They burn out. In the USA, the shortening of work weeks and work hours, the reduction of unfair responsibilities, and the overall improvement in health and safety for working conditions are all directly attributable to union action.
Googlers suffered Apple's Techtopus salary-fixing collusion. In the USA, collective bargaining is an important component of breaking wage-fixing situations, and "labor union" is legal shorthand for such collective-bargaining groups.
Google routinely appropriates code from its employees using a Microsoft Clause, which reassigns employee-produced code to Google unless the employee can rigorously prove that Google had nothing whatsoever to do with the production of the code. Thousands of commits are appropriated every year, and there is an internal lawyer-driven process for automating the appropriation. Labor unions of artists have successfully attacked such practices in the USA before.
Google owns Youtube and Doubleclick, large advertising systems which both inspire great amounts of abuse and also themselves are abusive tools of user coercion. If Googlers wanted for Google employees to not damage their mental health by working in user moderation for hours on end, or wanted Google to be less of a part of our societal disinformation and spam problem by reforming advertising policies, then a union would be the natural place to start that argument.
It sounds like you've never worked at Google before. Just because Google does not threaten its employees with regular violence, does not mean that Google is a stellar employer above reproach and without need for redress.
Your overall attitude towards unions reminds me of a classic movie scene where disgruntled and confused folks wonder whether the Romans ever did anything for them. Here [0] is but one of many lists enumerating exactly what unions did for us.
[0] https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/5/15/1092027/-Thanks-a-Union-36-Ways-Unions-Have-Improved-Your-Life https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/5/15/1092027/-Thanks-a...
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoI'm not really sure how to respond. This is a long, passionate argument against things I didn't say and an attitude I don't have. I think unions are a great way for employees to organize against mistreatment; that's exactly why it frustrates me to see the Alphabet Workers Union appropriate the history of union activism to serve partisan goals which have nothing to do with the great things unions have achieved in the past.
- myWindoonn 6y agoThe AWU's actions only seem overly partisan to you because you are standing in your current vantage point of history. Once, the idea of a weekend and a 40hr work week were also seen as too partisan and idealistic. And yet, after decades of the victory being forgotten, the weekend has become a sacred social institution. History doesn't care about your frustration. If you're a member or affiliate of AWU or CWA and you feel like your membership has been appropriated, contact your representative and start a formal appeal for redress. Otherwise, your place in this discussion isn't to have feelings, but to learn some facts and context.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoI don't see how we can have a productive conversation if you don't think it's my place to have feelings on the matter. I'd suggest that you should avoid participating in discussion forums on issues you don't think can legitimately be discussed.
- myWindoonn 6y agoJust bring evidence next time. Easy peasy. Otherwise, learn.