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Hardkernel adds 4x 2.5Gbps to H2
- q3k 6y agoToo bad it's not a single SFP+ 10G cage, that would be actually useful then. :/
- sitkack 6y agoWould you explain why and how many you would buy? I am sure hardkernel is reading this.
- q3k 6y agoIt would make for a good enough edge/home cluster node. Buy 5 of these, each with two SATA SSDs/HDDs, SFP+ uplink to cheap 10G switch [1], run k8s/k3s, might even be able to squeeze in Ceph. 2.5G switches are expensive and rare. If you want to make use of multiple links to an L2 ToR, you have to set up LACP which is annoying. You could do ECMP for L3 LB instead, but that requires an even more expensive switch. [1] - https://mikrotik.com/product/crs317_1g_16s_rm https://mikrotik.com/product/crs317_1g_16s_rm EDIT: as for commitment, I'm literally looking to solve the problem of 'I want a low power k8s cluster, and I'm okay with a switch SPOF' for bgp.wtf's FMT location. If I could buy 5-6 of these, with 10G uplink, especially ready to rack, I'd probably order them today.
- arghwhat 6y ago10GBASE-T is not very popular and rather expensive, while NBASE-T (2.5/5G) is gaining traction for high speed consumer stuff. SFP+ is cheaper and better, but not exactly common in consumer networks where I imagine most low-cost ARM boards end up.
- q3k 6y agoThis is not an ARM board, though. I mean it's no powerhouse, but definitely good enough for cattle in production if you're budget constrained.
- arghwhat 6y agoYeah, but they offer what provides most utility for their intended target audience first and foremost, and SFP+ would be inconvenient there (especially as copper pluggables ain't free).
- 1MachineElf 6y ago10G SFP+ would be more useful IMO too. It's becoming more and more common on switch hardware. Seems to me that anyone remotely interested in 4x2.5Gbps will be using VLANs on a decent switch, so they might as well trunk them on a single 10G SFP+ to make things simpler.
- zamadatix 6y agoI think this targets the case where the device itself is the switch/router/main-device/what-have-you not cases the device is hanging off a larger, faster, hardware switch. I see room for both use paradigms though, a 10G adapter would be nifty in addition.
- _verandaguy 6y agoNot OP, but chiming in: I do many workflows with very large photo and video files. Having an affordable, widely-available single-board-like or single-board-compatible product with a 10Gb SFP+ cage would have a measurable impact on how quickly I can seek assets from my home NAS. Right now the cheapest options are to get a 10Gb PCIe card from Newegg or similar, which'll run you about $200 where I am, and that's just a PCIe extension card.
- q3k 6y ago> Right now the cheapest options are to get a 10Gb PCIe card from Newegg or similar, which'll run you about $200 where I am, and that's just a PCIe extension card. If you want to go _very_ cheap and dirty you can get some FlexibleLOM/PCIe adapters [1] and some HP FlexibleLOM NICs [2]. This results in a 2x 10G NIC for around ~$15, including the adapter. [1] - https://github.com/TobleMiner/HPE-FlexibleLOM-adapter https://github.com/TobleMiner/HPE-FlexibleLOM-adapter [2] - https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-10GB-530FLR-649869-001-647579-001-10GB-2port-Ethernet-Adapter-6/193662921443 https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-10GB-530FLR-649869-001-647579-00...
- _verandaguy 6y agoI'm not necessarily going for rock-bottom prices; I wouldn't necessarily trust a $15 2x10G NIC to have good consistency/stability or thermal management, among other concerns. That said I think there's a market for boards between that $15 mark and the $200 I'd have to pay for something considerably higher-end.
- stragies 6y agoTheir original price was probably 500+$. They were for HP server boards originally. Perhaps they recently EOL-ed an entire series.
- q3k 6y ago$345 list price [1], but yes :) [1] - https://www.cdw.com/product/hp-reman-enet-10gbe-530flr-sfp/3900984 https://www.cdw.com/product/hp-reman-enet-10gbe-530flr-sfp/3...
- PragmaticPulp 6y agoFor typical routing purposes, 10G is overkill. The number of people with faster than 1G internet is extremely small. Business customers who have >1G commercial connections are not in the market for using ODROID boards for their routing needs. 2.5G is perfect for hobbyist use because it is significantly cheaper than anything 10G at the moment, while being faster than common 1G. If you need 10G switching, get a 10G switch.
- q3k 6y agoI don't want to build a switch/router on this.
- PragmaticPulp 6y agoThe parent board has a generic PCIe slot. You can add whatever card you'd like with appropriate adapters, including a 10G SFP+ card.
- q3k 6y agoIf by 'generic PCIe slot' you mean an NVMe slot that I have to buy janky adapters for, and figure out mechanical mounting for, then yeah. But I'm not sure I'd like to depend on that. And then I might as well do that with an Intel NUC, or just go for a normal mini-ITX motherboard.
- stingraycharles 6y agoMost of the time 10G routing isn’t for WAN but instead for the LAN.
- PragmaticPulp 6y agoI think everyone is missing the point of this cheap hobbyist board. The PCIe slot on the H2 is PCIe 2.0 x4, which doesn't have enough bandwidth to saturate more than one 10G port. This is why hobby hardware and the enthusiast market is so difficult: You can make a great product at a cheap price point and people will still complain that it doesn't satisfy their high-end niche edge case.
- scottlamb 6y ago> Too bad it's not a single SFP+ 10G cage, that would be actually useful then. :/ You can plug an M.2 to PCIe adapter and a used eBay 10GbE PCIe cards into the ODROID-H2+. A quick search showed several folks talking about this. eg: https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?t=39174 https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?t=39174 . It'd be nicer to have a straight M.2 to SFP+ but oh well.
- walterbell 6y agoAny chance of an AMD-based x86 device from hardkernel?
- Jonnax 6y agoI've currently a Unifi USG at home with my 1gbps symmetric connection. Generally it's pretty good. However a recent software update has completely broken IPv6 prefix delegation. So I've been thinking of replacing it with a more open router. I've seen pfsense is popular, but OpenWRT also seems to be quite active and Linux based which I'm more familiar with. But also for smaller less power hungry machines. My use case is a router so I don't need cores or ram, but rather being able to meet the network throughput for a low power consumption. Is there anything that bits the bill? Preferably something that was released recently to ensure software updates will be easy on it. Would the H2 work?
- walterbell 6y agoPC Engines APU2, https://pcengines.ch/apu2.htm https://pcengines.ch/apu2.htm (6W TDP fanless, 3 ports)
- Jonnax 6y agoI've seen it before and it looks really good but the CPU was released in 2014 So I'm a bit worried about future software support. Reading this: https://teklager.se/en/knowledge-base/apu2-1-gigabit-throughput-pfsense/ https://teklager.se/en/knowledge-base/apu2-1-gigabit-through... It looks like 1gbps is possible with tweaks. My hope is whether there's a more plug and play solution.
- stragies 6y agoDoes the AMD Jaguar GX-412TC SOC really handle full Gigabit with non-trivial rules and/or SQM? Also the 6W is the minimum, it goes up to 10 under load.
- vegardx 6y agoI doubt it. But if you're comparing with products from Ubiquiti (especially the Unifi line) you're probably going to see similar performance anyway. I switched to a APU2 as my home router two years ago, and I've been very happy with it. Doesn't seem to break a sweat handling a gigabit connection in a typical home setting, running VyOS. I'd probably think about something more powerful in an office or data center.
- pdimitar 6y agoOr I don't know, SBC vendors, you can get one AMD R1606G board and actually bother to make its 2x 10Gbps on-chip NICs usable? As opposed to everyone attaching 2x 1Gbps to it for whatever reasons (really tempted to say its laziness but maybe there are legitimate reasons, although I don't think so; why would AMD make a board on which an on-chip dual NIC is unusable?). Piling such addons on top of an otherwise single-board computer feels quite strange to me. What are the thermal implications of such a setup? Not an expert by any stretch but I am very skeptical.
- rektide 6y agoI very very very much loath the lag in the market. The SBC market is a sham, as far as I'm concerned, with these stupid ARM toys they keep pushing. 100%, the real embedded market has much better equipment. I looked around some for R1606G offerings, and there's quite a number of boards around $350. Alas, none use the on-chip 10Gbe ports. I haven't found anything under $700 that offers 10Gbe. Even the $350 is questionable, when by compare one can get a 1L sized mini-pc with a 35W desktop chip that will rip it to shreads. Those systems will idle under 10w. Mine does. The R1606G chip you talk about, the R1606G, is 2 Zen cores running 2600-3500 Hz & uses 12-25W. That's a bit north of what something like this here Celeron kicks out, but it does match a lot of Chromebox style computers very closely, which is a little smaller than the typical business 1L mini-pc. There is also a R1305G and R1102G which have lower clocks & single-channel in the R1102G's case. They also have dual 10Gbe. I'd love to know what price chips like these come at. I suspect AMD plays the same game Intel does: even though you are getting 1/8th the physical chip size versus a desktop, the fact that it has competitive performance in it's price range means AMD/Intel are still going to try & charge you the same ~$300 they'd charge for a desktop chip.
- pdimitar 6y agoSame experience here with the R1606G. I got very hyped when I have seen the performance and power usage... and then NOBODY offered it with the stock dual 10Gbe NICs. Do you have a link to the full specs of your system that idles under 10W? Quite amazing. My OptiPlex 3060 (the micro form factor, no bigger than a book) is likely idling like that as well but haven't measured yet (hey, any recommendations for "smart" power monitors that can be aggregated in a central dashboard?). Also, do you have links to R1606G setups with 10Gbe somewhere? Your comment made it seem like you did eventually find such setups. Don't care much if they are $700 or more, it will be a one-time investment for at least 5 years in the future. The lower-clocked Ryzen 1000 boards I didn't have much interest in. I am looking to build a super low-power home NAS with the R1606G, plus some light VM and Docker activities. And yeah, pretty sure somebody recognized how valuable these boards are and are charging arm and leg for them. :(
- rektide 6y agoThis is becoming a super sweet routing platform! $120 board + $50 add-on card is a little on the pricey side, but ok. I wondered how they did it, but ahh, it's an x86 celeron chip, so of course there's PCIe. I really hope we start seeing more System-on-Chip from ARM &c with PCIe soon. RPi3's ethernet is powered by a single lane, which is more than most competitors do! Time to raise the stakes a little all!! But all this.. it just makes me so so so so sad how little wifi gear is available to DIY with. If you want to DIY wifi you basically have to rely on OpenWRT, which is all hacked routers. Support for modern chipsets has been woefully scary bad. We're seeing some hopes, some code drops of some semi-modern Qualcomm chipsets, but as has been the case for most of the decade, Broadcom is totally 100% no-go useless, has no support, no drivers, I don't even know if we have a way to any of these boards any more. But relying on prepackaged consumer equipment- it's un-ideal. I'd way rather be able to, like this add-on, build something myself. The cryptocurrency craze has shown that, in fact, PCIe works fairly well over a decent length of USB cable, and Thunderbolt mirrors that idea at 10x the price point/sophistication/complexity. The idea of having a m.2 card with some wifi hardware on it should not be that out there. Yet there's near to no marketplace for good wifi gear. Compex is one of the few/only companies making anything what-so-ever, and it's quite expensive. I've been meaning to try to run a Debian install on my Netgear X4S (R7800) router for a long time now. It'll mean, likely, trying to compile an OpenWRT & borrowing it's kernel & probably some modules. And kind of slap-dash throwing them in-to a Debian distro, and either uboot or perhaps having to kexec from OpenWRT into Debian. I'd really like to have a less exotic system to build wifi with. For now, my increasingly aged router continues to be one of the best options available for wifi that gives me any power or control. It's scary having such radically increasingly consumerized options dominate. It's scary to me how many techs around me in the world are happy to just buy more expensive fancy gear, go get Ubiquiti, rather than invest themselves in such a core critical foundational social technology. I want very much there to be some kind of call to action, some way to rally, but hardware keeps getting further & further away. This is the actual story of Big Tech that scares me, because it restricts what is possible. What big social networks do? Just go do something else online. But wifi? That is the last & most important mile of connectivity, to us & those around us. I know it doesn't entirely make sense, but it's something I think geeks ought to feel is important & ought to invest themselves, not just their money in. I'm tired of being well served by enterprise gear in the home, but not serving ourselves.
- cpascal 6y agoInteresting. This combined with the H2+ could make a nice wireguard VPN gateway for a home network. The H2+ is a quad-core 2.3 GHz intel board. Anyone know if that would be enough juice to handle a gigabit wireguard link?
- trillic 6y agoAbsolutely. My Linksys router with a 4 year old ARM Chip can handle about 800 mb/s. https://routerchart.com/linksys/linksys-wrt3200acm-wrt3200acm-346 https://routerchart.com/linksys/linksys-wrt3200acm-wrt3200ac...
- noncoml 6y agoHarkernel has impressive hardware but last time I used it I needed to use their own Linux kernel fork.
- Narishma 6y agoLack of contrast makes the page nearly unreadable.
- noncoml 6y agoHardkernel folks: Amazing product. Please consider having a warehouses in every continent. Or some resellers. $50+ for shipping on a $120 product is a bit too steep.
- ac29 6y agoAmeridroid covers the US market: https://ameridroid.com/ https://ameridroid.com/