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Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a
by Nacdor 6y ago
Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". So far he hasn't been able to identify a single person who was arrested and active on Parler:
> Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silencing competitors on ideological grounds: just the start.
> For those asking the basis for that last claim: I spent the weekend reporting on the removal of Parler from the internet, including reviewing lots of documents and interviewing people associated with the companies involved, including Parler.
> The article will be up shortly.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293
I would be more interested in hearing if all these prominent figures in the Capitol protests were active across multiple (or all) social media platforms, which often seems to be the case. If that is true, then it makes for an even stronger argument that Parler has been singled out.
- mhh__ 6y agoI'm really scared to trust Greenwald on anything political at the moment. For a start, the silencing competitors argument doesn't really work with AWS because they just do hosting.
- jacobolus 6y agoGreenwald's own news organization kicked him out because he refused to let anyone fact check his grossly inaccurate posts.
- Natsu 6y ago> For a start, the silencing competitors argument doesn't really work with AWS because they just do hosting. The complaint alleges there are deeper ties: Less than a month ago, AWS announced with a press release a new multi-year deal with Twitter. AWS will “provide global cloud infrastructure to deliver Twitter timelines.” Twitter Selects AWS as Strategic Provider to Serve Timelines, Press Center, Amazon, (Dec. 15, 2020), https://press.aboutamazon.com/news-releases/news-release-details/twitter-selects-aws-strategic-provider-serve-timelines https://press.aboutamazon.com/news-releases/news-release-det....
- ABeeSea 6y agoThey also signed a multi-year deal with Pinterest which is a competitor to twitter. So that argument won’t get very far.
- jkaplowitz 6y agoThat's a pretty typical-looking big customer kind of arrangement for a cloud provider (including the press release), not anything seemingly deeper than typical. (To be clear, I have no inside info on this deal to know for sure, but I've worked in the past at a different big cloud provider and later at a big customer of that cloud provider.)
- Natsu 6y agoThat's definitely possible. I have no direct knowledge of the agreement, but it's one of those things that will get sussed out later--I suspect that the precise nature of the agreement will be gone over in detail.
- jcranmer 6y agoThat doesn't actually allege there are deeper ties. It's a pretty standard corporate PR piece about $SUPPLIER providing $SERVICE to $BIG_CUSTOMER, that $SUPPLIER can turn around and shop to other $PROSPECTIVE_CUSTOMERs as evidence of their ability to handle their needs. The company I work for puts this kind of PR out all the time, and no one thinks that it's a conspiracy to shut out all other competitors to $BIG_CUSTOMER.
- jml7c5 6y agoOn the other hand: the larger Twitter is, the easier it is for them to bargain hard with Amazon. A world with multiple competing Twitter-like services is potentially better for Amazon's bottom line.
- ed25519FUUU 6y agoThat's a shame, because Greenwald and other contrarian writers have been the only ones consistently right the last few years with regards to Russiagate and other "emotional" headline issues.
- mhh__ 6y agoGreenwald has actually been consistently wrong on quite a lot on that topic - mentioned quite a few places on the Wikipedia article actually. I should stress that some partisan democrats have also been just as wrong, but Greenwald is just making it up to downplay what did actually happen. To anyone who hasn't, please go and read the Wiki article on it - it's very detailed and clears up a lot of frankly worrying narratives I see on this website that are frankly a little disappointing considering the average reader is usually quite fastidious with technology.
- ztratar 6y agoThe guy in the fur hat was arrested and had a Parler. This isn't hard. The majority of people arrested had Parler accounts -- it's everywhere.
- caminocorner 6y ago> The guy in the fur hat was arrested and had a Parler. I can't find evidence of this. Could you share your evidence? Greenwald did significant research here and said he found no active users from those arrested: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293
- jakelazaroff 6y agoGlenn is either terrible at research or lying. https://twitter.com/azforeman/status/1348648808390008832?s=21 https://twitter.com/azforeman/status/1348648808390008832?s=2... Google “baked alaska parler”. It’s literally on the first page of results.
- caminocorner 6y agoThanks for the image. Do you know if the account was active or unused? I guess that's why Glenn said "were active users" and not "were users".
- jakelazaroff 6y agoHard to tell now that it’s down. But I find it pretty hard to trust him on this. One, it’s been fairly well documented that people were organizing the attack on Parler [1]. And two, as I mentioned elsewhere in the thread, there’s the obvious loophole that many who participated in the attack simply haven’t been arrested at all. [1] https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/01/08/far-right-insurrectionists-organized-capitol-siege-parler https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/01/08/far-right-ins...
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- tbenst 6y agoThis is almost certainly false. For example, see the arrest of the leader of the Proud Boys (for events prior to Capitol, but played active role on Parler encouraging proud boys violence that day): https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/several-well-known-hate-groups-identified-at-capitol-riot/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/several-well-know...
- Nacdor 6y agoThe story does confirm he wasn't there though, not sure if he had been released by then: > Tarrio does not appear to have been present during the insurrection.
- CyanLite2 6y agoBecause he was arrested prior. The coordination and planning took place on Parler.
- DataWorker 6y agoAnd if he was arrested prior that indicates some awareness in advance of what might have unfolded. I’m probably alone in the opinion that it shouldn’t have been given the go ahead, especially amidst a pandemic. Protests seem unreasonably dangerous in today’s world.
- madhadron 6y agoHe had an outstanding warrant in DC. They picked up him when he arrived.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago>For example, see the arrest of the leader of the Proud Boys (for events prior to Capitol, but played active role on Parler encouraging proud boys violence that day) You seem to be talking about Enrique Tarrio, the latino leader of the "Proud Boys" who was arrested when he stepped off his plane, for the crime of burning a blm symbol in DC the month before. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/proud-boys-leader-arrested-after-allegedly-destroying-d-c-church-n1252789 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/proud-boys-leader-arres... But you also seem to be trying to correlate that to this event. I don't know how they are related to Parler, can you explain?
- txru 6y agoThe claim that not a single person had a Parler account is trivially refutable. https://twitter.com/azforeman/status/1348648808390008832/photo/1 https://twitter.com/azforeman/status/1348648808390008832/pho... If he didn't bother to look at a famous person like the "QAnon Shaman", why does the rest of this claim stand to scrutiny?
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- ahiknsr 6y agoYou mean the same Glenn Greenwald who said Authoritarianism in US has nothing do with Trump? [1] [1] https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-threat-of-authoritarianism-in https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-threat-of-authoritarian...
- COGlory 6y agoEither Greenwald is correct, or he isn't. His opinion on non-factual things should have no bearing on that.
- user-the-name 6y agoHe isn't correct.
- anonuser123456 6y agoOne's opinion has a very profound bearing on how he interprets and report on facts.
- COGlory 6y agoFacts should be independently verifiable.
- anonuser123456 6y agoVerify away. But facts are nothing more than isolated points. In my reading of Greenwald, he (usually) selects the facts that push his narrative. So verifying his facts is meaningless in the context of establishing the veracity of his broader claims. You need more facts than what he presents to see the full picture. And then his narrative usually falls appart.
- jakelazaroff 6y agoThis is a pretty weasely argument from Glenn. Many of the people who invaded the Capitol weren’t arrested, period. Sympathy for white supremacy within law enforcement is its own thorny issue, but we certainly shouldn’t let it deter us from taking action against places we know domestic terrorists plan their attacks.
- burger_moon 6y agoThis Glen Greebwald who "quit" in protest to his false Hunter Biden witch hunt? The guy lost all credibility pushing that fake bullshit story so far he lost his job at his own news org. https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-quits-the-intercept-over-hunter-biden-article/ https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-quits-the-inte...
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- camhart 6y agoHunter Biden is under investigation. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/09/politics/hunter-biden-tax-investigtation/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/09/poli... Update: replaced link with a more relevant one
- afavour 6y agoYes, Hunter Biden is under investigation. But the investigation Glenn wrote about was separate, and a transparent fraud.
- nullc 6y agoIf the allegations about hunters laptop were transparently fraudulent, why do the gmail originated messages pass DKIM validation?
- afuchs 6y ago> If the allegations about hunters laptop were transparently fraudulent, why do the gmail originated messages pass DKIM validation? The refusal to release the full messages with complete headers was a point of contention in the original reporting of this story. If enough information was released, to let the public inspect the messages and verify the DKIM signatures themselves, this is a new development that goes beyond what was originally reported and alleged. Have the full messages been released to the public so this can be verified?
- xkeysc0re 6y agoAnd his claim was refuted in mere minutes. An extremely disingenuous argument on his behalf. Glenn has done great work in the past for which he should be commended, but these days he's a contrarian in search of hot takes. It's just how the Twitter / Patreon journalist economy operates. He will throw a huge hissy fit about the mainstream media but then happily go on Fox News with Tucker.
- metalliqaz 6y agohe has always been like this. if it wasn't for Snowden choosing him because he liked his politics, nobody would care what Greenwald has to say.
- xkeysc0re 6y agoNah I disagree. He used to truly dive into the story regardless of ideology. It was about the truth and the facts of the case. Specifically, his writing on the Anthrax case is top-tier journalism. He also bravely defended Nazis in court and stood up for their rights, which I deeply respect (and a totally different scenario than the current Parler debacle). But having said that, it's clear lately he puts politics / optics first and then dives into an issue.
- steviedotboston 6y agoOr maybe he always put politics first and people just didn't notice
- smoyer 6y agoIf you're feeling lazy, it's also easier to find those posts on Facebook because that's where everyone is (network effect). Parlor was poised to capitalize on discontent with the social media companies that were banning Trump but the influx of users was just starting.
- swebs 6y agoI'm not familiar enough with Twitter's UI to navigate it properly. Could you link the refutation?
- awb 6y ago> it was largely done on Facebook That could be true, I don't know, but Parler was certainly hosting some violent real-time threats: https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347190280492089344 https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347190280492089344
- walrus01 6y ago> Glenn Greenwald has been investigating the planning of the Capitol protests and says "it was largely done on Facebook". Glenn Greenwald also chose to make the fake Giuliani/Hunter Biden laptop story the hill on which he wished to die upon, related to his resignation from the Intercept, so whatever credibility he had remaining has long since departed. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=greenwald+giuliani+laptop https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=greenwald...
- henriquez 6y agoWhat was fake about the Hunter Biden allegations? It was proven that Hunter had shady dealings with various foreign companies.
- nullc 6y ago> the fake Giuliani/Hunter Biden laptop story What was fake about it? AFAIK no factual claim has been refuted and some have been robustly proved (e.g. the gmail sent emails that have been published pass DKIM validation). If you want to say the timing of it was a transparent attempt at political manipulation, I'd fully agree.
- Nacdor 6y agoGood point, I had forgotten that Rob of Errata Security was given an email to verify and it was proven to be legitimate: > So as I blogged before, the emails contained DKIM information, which the original reporters could and should have verified. So I eventually got a copy of the email and run DKIM verification on it. It passed: https://twitter.com/erratarob/status/1322007153415200768 https://twitter.com/erratarob/status/1322007153415200768 I think he's pretty active (and well-respected) on HN.
- chalst 6y agoStrange that Rob doesn't mention the possibility that the private key was compromised. What the DKIM signature really proves is the date the message was sent, not who composed the message.
- helsinkiandrew 6y ago> Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero Conspiracy theories aside Parler wasn’t removed in relation to involvement with the capital invasion. They got booted off for poor moderation - repeatedly not being willing to do anything about illegal/hate content and the increase in number of complaints. I don’t think Amazon or Apple (and to a lesser extent Google) can be viewed as competitors to Parler in any material way.
- jf22 6y agoIronically, Glenn Greenwald is one of the few people who has blocked me on Twitter.