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This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconfor
by sdenton4 6y ago
This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconformity.
Tolerance is a peace treaty:
https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376 https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...
- berryjerry 6y agoYou still cannot threaten physical violence. This imaginary prospect that 'free speech' includes threats is stupid. And of course any individual still can block you. It is literally the same as Twitter.
- balls187 6y ago> It is literally the same as Twitter. Pretty much. What I find troubling is that despite containing the same cesspool of vile content, Twitter never got booted from Google and Apple App stores, and AWS.
- franklampard 6y ago> The same cesspool of vile content You are troubling if you really find that
- balls187 6y agoTook me less than 30 seconds to type in a racial slur into Twitter's search bar and find it. And I don't even have a twitter account.
- franklampard 6y agoIf you report them they don’t get removed on Twitter? Without a Twitter account you claim that Twitter has the same vile content?
- jeanvaljean2463 6y agoYou can report, but it takes weeks sometimes for the content to get actioned.
- dang 6y agoPlease don't cross into personal attack, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. We're trying to avoid descending further into hell here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- wnevets 6y agoPlease send me twitter links of people conspiring to commit violence so I can report them.
- deleted 6y ago[deleted]
- whimsicalism 6y agoI've reported plenty of people saying awful things about killing black people & jews on Twitter. It's definitely there.
- chalst 6y agoI've had a good experience with flagging bad posts and users: about 3/4 of the time the accounts I report get suspended. I only go after the really nasty accounts, though.
- whimsicalism 6y agoI have had poor experience with suspension, good experience with removal.
- balls187 6y agoTwitter has a search feature. Also this was the very reason Donald Trump's account was finally banned, despite YEARS of that rhetoric.
- Dig1t 6y agoHere are some interesting ones: https://twitter.com/MonkeyWrenchATX/status/1316225388905926657 https://twitter.com/MonkeyWrenchATX/status/13162253889059266... https://twitter.com/MonkeyWrenchATX/status/1308983484288045058 https://twitter.com/MonkeyWrenchATX/status/13089834842880450... https://twitter.com/Windstalker361/status/1291502217590120448 https://twitter.com/Windstalker361/status/129150221759012044... https://twitter.com/ScothSenpai/status/1311436929351790592 https://twitter.com/ScothSenpai/status/1311436929351790592 I agree Parler is/was shit and yay for its death, but there IS a non-trivial amount of extremist stuff on Twitter as well and IMO letting this stuff persist just creates further division.
- webmaven 6y ago> What I find troubling is that despite containing the same cesspool of vile content, Twitter never got booted from Google and Apple App stores, and AWS. The difference being that on Parler the 'cesspool' as you call it is all there is, or at least it is the main attraction. On Twitter it is easy enough to find, but an average user mostly does have to go looking for it, or at least be following someone who goes looking for it. Twitter also does make efforts to drain the cesspool, although it can certainly be debated whether those efforts are sufficient or even being made in good faith.
- balls187 6y agoOkay, I see that POV--that Twitter is got a pass because it's worst content is just a by-product of their platform, and Parler didn't because it's worst content was the feature of their platform.
- joshstrange 6y agoAgreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...
- hef19898 6y agoI am slowly suspecting that being capable of tremendous levels of cognitive disoance, without realizing it, is one of the common denominators of radicals. Quite obvious in right wingers, but I wouldn't exclude others, I just saw it more at the right end of the political spectrum.
- stjohnswarts 6y agoI think what you're looking for individuals that think "I believe" without any proof at all is a valid "reason" for doing whatever they like as long as they "believe" it. It is proof against any science or logical reasoning because "I believe" is the only level of verification they need to follow a group/tyrant/whatever.
- staticautomatic 6y agoTo the contrary, many radicals, including the ones you’re referring to, are incapable of handling cognitive dissonance. Consider the destitute right-wing radical who fights against economic assistance programs because they conflict with his moral world view.
- stjohnswarts 6y agoIs there something in reddit "bylaws" that says any post has to be accepted in a group that meant specifically for a certain group "/r/..." ? I thought moderators could allow/disallow whatever they wanted as long as it doesn't violate TOS or is illegal? I have seen the same thing in more left leaning, women's rights, or whatever. Am I missing something in your complaint? That said all that the_donald/conservative/etc is a dumpster fire.
- liminal 6y agoFWIW I've found that true on the left as well
- Kaze404 6y agoCan you name any left-leaning communities that promote "unmoderated" free-speech? As someone who's in many left-leaning communities, this would be news to me and I'm genuinely curious to how it works.
- ativzzz 6y agoI think the biggest difference between far-left and far-right communities is that far-left communities don't pretend to have free speech. And because they don't care about free speech they are more willing to shut down content that the host platform may object to, like calls to violence. See places like /r/latestagecapitalism.
- supernovae 6y agoThe left understands the complexity of free speech, the right weaponizes free speech. Huge difference.
- TedDoesntTalk 6y agoI don’t know about “communities”, but there were definitely many people calling for violence at BLM protests and marches in 2020.
- thymorningafter 6y agoThe difference being that BLM movement actually has many decades (centuries?) of concrete evidence of racial injustice and oppression compared to the baseless claims of voter fraud and a supposed stolen election.
- pixl97 6y ago
- supernovae 6y agoJust look at reddit / r / conservative. You have to be proven to be conservative before you can post, yet, they preach about first amendment, freedom of speech and your rights all the time.
- frankfrankfrank 6y agoIt is not possible for that page to be conservative, regardless of what the sub is called. The title is irrelevant, it is the nature of the thing that makes it such. Going to /r/conservative is like a red cross visit of a communist labor camp and all the inmates have brand new clothes with creases in them. A facade of what the regime thinks a conservative subreddit should look like. Do you actually think that people can espouse "conservative", let alone even non-regime conformant beliefs anywhere on Reddit? The thousands of reddit accounts piled up in the digital mass graves would suggest not.
- jandrese 6y agoThe No True Scotsman defense. If the Republican Party isn't conservative you are going to have a tough time finding representation in government. Although I guess by global standards the Democrats are pretty conservative, maybe try there?
- rconti 6y agoI made one very earnest and honest libertarian-leaning comment on the Redstate forums before I was banned (this was probably 15 years ago). Well, it was "fun" while it lasted.
- dboreham 6y agoRule: everything is driven by someone's business model.
- agumonkey 6y agoI have a feeling this is spreading a lot. People are becoming puritans.. too much negativity in the world makes one become too tense on what he considers the best solutions maybe.
- raffraffraff 6y agoIt's not just conservatives. This is this how the internet works now, and it applies to liberal bubbles too. Maybe it's my rose-tinted glasses, but I don't remember the internet being this bad before social media. You could chat on a forum (that was neither hard left not hard right) and play the devil's advocate if you wished. People forget that the first person they should debate honestly is themselves. Online discussion was a great way to have conversations as the devil's advocate. It was a great way to explore a subject. As long as you argued in good faith, used logic and conceded points when they were fairly won, you could have a long (and possibly fruitless) discussion without getting blocked, banned, threatened or called a Nazi. Nowadays, liberal isn't "how you act" or "what your values are", is an identity. People identify as liberal: kind, right and "definitely not nazis". If you disagree with them, then you must be evil, right? I've given up trying to explore contentious issues online. It's impossible to take a different view on a hot topic without getting blocked and reported. You don't even have to take a polar opposite view or get snarky. Sometimes you only have to ask a valid question (now known as a dog-whistle). It doesn't matter if you've got science or logic to back it up. Someone said it on HN yesterday - the old words are failing us. I no longer recognise this thing that they call "liberal" today. I see it as "woke" - a cult, with dogma, heresies and grand inquisitors.