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I didn't find anything. I did show that Trump is surprisingly clean. Maybe because of lacking ability, but unusually clean for a president. Cleaner than Biden i

I didn't find anything. I did show that Trump is surprisingly clean. Maybe because of lacking ability, but unusually clean for a president. Cleaner than Biden in case of Ukraine for example, even if Trumps dealings are self-serving. Furthermore Bidens dealings are relevant to the US geopolitical ambitions and the censorship of it was a disgrace for the press. It keeps people uninformed, even if presentation of these issues is difficult for any news network.

nindalf 6y ago
> but unusually clean for a president What's the standard here? Reagan arming Contra rebels by selling arms to Iran? Or are you comparing to the presidential campaigns for President? Are you claiming that Obama and Romney and Clinton colluded way more with foreign powers? Or are you comparing with Biden, who profited in no way from his dealings in Ukraine?
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  If there was a way to indict executive overreach on issues like surveillance and propaganda for example, things that are actually important compared to utterances of certain persons, the numbers would look quite different. Trump is as guilty of executive overreach, no questions asked, but the criticism is very selective.
pmiller2 6y ago
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/facebook-posts/many-more-criminal-indictments-under-trump-reagan-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/facebook-p...
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  politfact is not really a good source. Trump has some financial involvements that should be questioned, but this isn't really enough. Indictment doesn't mean guilty as I believe. If there had been something, we would have heard about it non-stop.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    Well, Trump had 6 key people indicted, including his lawyer and his campaign manager, on 81 charges and several convictions / guilty pleas. Clinton had 2 indictments and 1 conviction, while Obama and Carter had 0. Which administration out of these would you say was the least "clean"?

nindalf 6y ago

> but unusually clean for a president What's the standard here? Reagan arming Contra rebels by selling arms to Iran? Or are you comparing to the presidential campaigns for President? Are you claiming that Obama and Romney and Clinton colluded way more with foreign powers? Or are you comparing with Biden, who profited in no way from his dealings in Ukraine?

raxxorrax 6y ago
If there was a way to indict executive overreach on issues like surveillance and propaganda for example, things that are actually important compared to utterances of certain persons, the numbers would look quite different. Trump is as guilty of executive overreach, no questions asked, but the criticism is very selective.

pmiller2 6y ago

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/facebook-posts/many-more-criminal-indictments-under-trump-reagan-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/facebook-p...

raxxorrax 6y ago
politfact is not really a good source. Trump has some financial involvements that should be questioned, but this isn't really enough. Indictment doesn't mean guilty as I believe. If there had been something, we would have heard about it non-stop.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  Well, Trump had 6 key people indicted, including his lawyer and his campaign manager, on 81 charges and several convictions / guilty pleas. Clinton had 2 indictments and 1 conviction, while Obama and Carter had 0. Which administration out of these would you say was the least "clean"?