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So ... They are biased but not lying?

antifreeze0 6y ago
The investigation found nothing. A producer on CNN event admitted it was fake and that they are doing it for views. https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Video-shows-CNN-producer--joking-about-ethics-and-admitting-Russia-story-is-fake-431078973.html https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Video-shows-CNN-... Seems like they are lying wouldn’t you say?
- antonvs 6y ago
  I'm confused about what you're talking about. The Mueller Report didn't "find nothing." If you're unaware of this, you can read about it here: https://www.commoncause.org/resource/read-the-mueller-report/ https://www.commoncause.org/resource/read-the-mueller-report... It only didn't end in legal action against Trump because of the procedural issues related to bringing charges against a sitting president. Barr made that decision, and chose to protect Trump. Your video (apparently) shows a CNN producer who apparently believed the story was "fake", but that's not consistent with the actual facts we know.
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    I didn't find anything. I did show that Trump is surprisingly clean. Maybe because of lacking ability, but unusually clean for a president. Cleaner than Biden in case of Ukraine for example, even if Trumps dealings are self-serving. Furthermore Bidens dealings are relevant to the US geopolitical ambitions and the censorship of it was a disgrace for the press. It keeps people uninformed, even if presentation of these issues is difficult for any news network.
    - nindalf 6y ago
      > but unusually clean for a president What's the standard here? Reagan arming Contra rebels by selling arms to Iran? Or are you comparing to the presidential campaigns for President? Are you claiming that Obama and Romney and Clinton colluded way more with foreign powers? Or are you comparing with Biden, who profited in no way from his dealings in Ukraine?
      - raxxorrax 6y ago
        If there was a way to indict executive overreach on issues like surveillance and propaganda for example, things that are actually important compared to utterances of certain persons, the numbers would look quite different. Trump is as guilty of executive overreach, no questions asked, but the criticism is very selective.
    - pmiller2 6y ago
      https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/facebook-posts/many-more-criminal-indictments-under-trump-reagan-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/facebook-p...
      - raxxorrax 6y ago
        politfact is not really a good source. Trump has some financial involvements that should be questioned, but this isn't really enough. Indictment doesn't mean guilty as I believe. If there had been something, we would have heard about it non-stop.
        pmiller2 6y ago
        Well, Trump had 6 key people indicted, including his lawyer and his campaign manager, on 81 charges and several convictions / guilty pleas. Clinton had 2 indictments and 1 conviction, while Obama and Carter had 0. Which administration out of these would you say was the least "clean"?
- craftinator 6y ago
  You are very confused about the findings of the Mueller Report.

The investigation found nothing. A producer on CNN event admitted it was fake and that they are doing it for views. https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Video-shows-CNN-producer--joking-about-ethics-and-admitting-Russia-story-is-fake-431078973.html https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Video-shows-CNN-... Seems like they are lying wouldn’t you say?

antonvs 6y ago
I'm confused about what you're talking about. The Mueller Report didn't "find nothing." If you're unaware of this, you can read about it here: https://www.commoncause.org/resource/read-the-mueller-report/ https://www.commoncause.org/resource/read-the-mueller-report... It only didn't end in legal action against Trump because of the procedural issues related to bringing charges against a sitting president. Barr made that decision, and chose to protect Trump. Your video (apparently) shows a CNN producer who apparently believed the story was "fake", but that's not consistent with the actual facts we know.
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  I didn't find anything. I did show that Trump is surprisingly clean. Maybe because of lacking ability, but unusually clean for a president. Cleaner than Biden in case of Ukraine for example, even if Trumps dealings are self-serving. Furthermore Bidens dealings are relevant to the US geopolitical ambitions and the censorship of it was a disgrace for the press. It keeps people uninformed, even if presentation of these issues is difficult for any news network.
  - nindalf 6y ago
    > but unusually clean for a president What's the standard here? Reagan arming Contra rebels by selling arms to Iran? Or are you comparing to the presidential campaigns for President? Are you claiming that Obama and Romney and Clinton colluded way more with foreign powers? Or are you comparing with Biden, who profited in no way from his dealings in Ukraine?
    - raxxorrax 6y ago
      If there was a way to indict executive overreach on issues like surveillance and propaganda for example, things that are actually important compared to utterances of certain persons, the numbers would look quite different. Trump is as guilty of executive overreach, no questions asked, but the criticism is very selective.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/facebook-posts/many-more-criminal-indictments-under-trump-reagan-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/facebook-p...
    - raxxorrax 6y ago
      politfact is not really a good source. Trump has some financial involvements that should be questioned, but this isn't really enough. Indictment doesn't mean guilty as I believe. If there had been something, we would have heard about it non-stop.
      - pmiller2 6y ago
        Well, Trump had 6 key people indicted, including his lawyer and his campaign manager, on 81 charges and several convictions / guilty pleas. Clinton had 2 indictments and 1 conviction, while Obama and Carter had 0. Which administration out of these would you say was the least "clean"?
craftinator 6y ago
You are very confused about the findings of the Mueller Report.