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All Nazi books should be burnt since we don't want certain information existing in the world. I actually think rounding up all Nazis and putting them in labor c

All Nazi books should be burnt since we don't want certain information existing in the world. I actually think rounding up all Nazis and putting them in labor camps might be okay. Heck, what about actually killing nazis? Is there some kind of political idealogy where taking these actions against minorities is supported and allowed?

korla 6y ago
Are you suggesting it is not in a society's interest to limit hate speech against minorities? Because that is what is being discussed.
- fatsdomino001 6y ago
  Incorrect. You're discussing censoring people with a different opinion than you, but using minorities as political cover, which is morally dubious.
  - korla 6y ago
    That is not what I am discussing. I am making a statement about how to design a stable society with humane values. From the perspective of the society. Instead you went to make judgements about my personal beliefs.
- coldtea 6y ago
  Parent is probably suggesting that: (a) what is "hate speech" is a vague term to be filled by whoever yields the power to define it (could be anything from talk against religion, to conservative worldviews, to class-war ideas, to racist beliefs, to complaints against politicians, and so on). (b) what is a minority can also be vague and politically determined as opposed through raw numbers, and the power of a minority could be more than its size tells us (e.g. the 1% is a class-based minority, but most don't have an issue with going against them. Similarly, in certain cases it's one or more minorities that have the power against the majority - e.g. the fewer white-spanish descendants over indians and mulatos in some Latin American countries, or the white 20% against the blacks 80% in appartheid South Africa). So, no, it's not clear cut that it's "in a society's interest to limit hate speech against minorities".
  - korla 6y ago
    I believe you are conflating the definition of minority in this context. It means a disenfranchised portion of the population.
  - korla 6y ago
    Hate speech is when you promote violence or persecution in some other way against any of the groups you mentioned. I am not sure what point A has to do with what hate speech is.

korla 6y ago

Are you suggesting it is not in a society's interest to limit hate speech against minorities? Because that is what is being discussed.

fatsdomino001 6y ago
Incorrect. You're discussing censoring people with a different opinion than you, but using minorities as political cover, which is morally dubious.
- korla 6y ago
  That is not what I am discussing. I am making a statement about how to design a stable society with humane values. From the perspective of the society. Instead you went to make judgements about my personal beliefs.
coldtea 6y ago
Parent is probably suggesting that: (a) what is "hate speech" is a vague term to be filled by whoever yields the power to define it (could be anything from talk against religion, to conservative worldviews, to class-war ideas, to racist beliefs, to complaints against politicians, and so on). (b) what is a minority can also be vague and politically determined as opposed through raw numbers, and the power of a minority could be more than its size tells us (e.g. the 1% is a class-based minority, but most don't have an issue with going against them. Similarly, in certain cases it's one or more minorities that have the power against the majority - e.g. the fewer white-spanish descendants over indians and mulatos in some Latin American countries, or the white 20% against the blacks 80% in appartheid South Africa). So, no, it's not clear cut that it's "in a society's interest to limit hate speech against minorities".
- korla 6y ago
  I believe you are conflating the definition of minority in this context. It means a disenfranchised portion of the population.
- korla 6y ago
  Hate speech is when you promote violence or persecution in some other way against any of the groups you mentioned. I am not sure what point A has to do with what hate speech is.