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The mob has been coming for law enforcement and federal buildings in many major cities in America for nine months now. This mob actively organized on Twitter a
by chrissnell 6y ago
The mob has been coming for law enforcement and federal buildings in many major cities in America for nine months now. This mob actively organized on Twitter and other social media. Where was the outrage in June? Most of the organizations that organized this destruction still have their Twitter accounts.
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- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago> The mob has been coming for law enforcement and federal buildings in many major cities in America for nine months now They're "coming for" police reform and transparency. Please don't misrepresent or generalise very disparate groups of demonstrators.
- casefields 6y agoJust like the handful of crazies the other day, you don't get to wash your hands of your bad elements. Imagine if this was the scene at the capital: https://youtu.be/c8j3h7fuYsY https://youtu.be/c8j3h7fuYsY
- adnzzzzZ 6y agoCapitol protestors were "coming for" election transparency. Please don't misrepresent or generalise very disparate groups of demonstrators.
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- kuzimoto 6y agoSo the ends justify the means? Only certain ideas are allowed for mobs to be okay?
- Tokkemon 6y agoThe mobs were not comparable.
- kuzimoto 6y agoDoes it matter? Isn't a mob a mob?
- koolba 6y agoMany governors said as much this past year when they allowed, and in many cases took part in, BLM protests but banned anti-lockdown ones.
- kuzimoto 6y agoYes, incredibly frustrating. Lots of the media played along with it as well.
- hackmiester 6y agoThat is correct. It is okay to rally against police brutality; it is not okay to hold a Nazi rally.
- chrissnell 6y agoMisrepresent? If anything, I underrepresented what is happening. These mobs have been literally launching explosive mortars at the police, throwing Molotov cocktails at them, along with urine, feces, and God knows what else. Antifa isn’t out for reform, they are out for mayhem, which they continue to organize on social media with the tacit cooperation of the same companies that ban conservatives on extremely flimsy grounds.
- Tokkemon 6y agoAntifa's not an organized thing like you keep saying it is. The Proud Boys, on the other hand...
- JarlUlvi 6y agoThe videos of massive numbers of bricks being thrown at the Chicago cops, the expose on Rose City Antifa, and the murder of antifa opponents complete with film crews and diversions say otherwise.
- cltby 6y ago> not an organized thing Do self-identified Antifa just spontaneously and simultaneously decide to engage in identical acts violence? Is there some remarkably prominent commie Schelling point us outsiders aren’t privy to?
- DaiPlusPlus 6y agoIt's more like how "Anonymous" was in the 2008 Scientology demonstrations. Just buy a _V-for-Vendetta_ Guy Fawkes mask and you're in. Wanna be in Antifa? Just go to a demonstration and hang-out with other people who simply look like they're in Antifa - though that doesn't give anyone permission to fight or act aggressively: there is a degree of mutual-acknowledgement amongst "members": if someone acts aggressively or fights on the offensive (as opposed to fighting defensively against other people who were aggressors[1]) then you wont' find many future allies to witness in your defence in court. [1] Yes, I'm aware of how murky that sounds.
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- skoopie 6y agoI love it when people try to gaslight us like we haven't seen the shit that happened last year. The capitol building "coup" was like watching a kids bop version of BLM/antifa.
- syshum 6y agoSo they did not fire bomb various police stations? Torch Businesses that refused to put up signs in support of their movements? Attack people in the street pulling them out of their cars and beating them? Literally stalk a man in the streets to execute him? None of those things happened? That is your position?
- joshuamorton 6y agoWhen you say "coming for law enforcement", do you mean actively advocating for violence toward, or just, like, advocating for additional regulation?
- ingsoc79 6y agoPortland, Seattle, Minneapolis, and many other US cities saw mobs attempting (and in some cases, succeeding) in burning down police precincts and courthouses this summer.
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- joshuamorton 6y agoYou've subtly avoided answering the question I asked. As far as I know, there was one (abandoned) police precinct burned. Was the burning of an abandoned building avocation for violence against police officers?
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoYou've gotten a distorted version of the story. The Minneapolis Third Precinct was abandoned at the time of burning only because police could no longer defend it against the rioters who were trying to break in and hurt them.
- thepasswordis 6y agoIt is honestly frightening to me the level to which so many of us are all living in different realities.
- joshuamorton 6y ago> against the rioters who were trying to break in and hurt them. This is, we'll go with dubious. Probably true at this point, but the protests had been going, relatively peacefully for close a day, and then less peacefully, with police having repeatedly tear gassed and fired rubber bullets at protestors who weren't doing anything violent, and didn't appear to have any violent intentions. Reports obviously differ, but many concluded that the actions of the police, in attacking the protestors, are what escalated the situation to violence. Compare from [1], and I think this "who is escalating" question becomes clear and relevant. Which is to say that while the protest ended violently, I think you'll be hard pressed to find widespread intent that it be violent from the start.[2] So again I'll ask: do you believe that the protesting in Minneapolis was formed with the intention of committing violence against police officers? On the other hand, do you believe the insurrection at the capitol, which had participants openly advocating for violence for days, was formed, with the intention of committing violence against elected officials? I find the attempt to draw a parallel between a situation where it took 3 days of getting teargassed for protestors to become violent and one where it took...a speech from the President. [1]: https://twitter.com/LiteraryMouse/status/1347873482550468609 https://twitter.com/LiteraryMouse/status/1347873482550468609 [2]: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/police-response-black-lives-matter-protest-us-capitol/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/police-response-black-live... [3]: https://www.apmreports.org/story/2020/06/30/what-happened-at-minneapolis-3rd-precinct https://www.apmreports.org/story/2020/06/30/what-happened-at... is my source for the timeline, which appears to be a fairly evenhanded account, noting that some city council members had already proposed abandoning the precinct for more than a day before it ultimately was.
- rvz 6y ago> Where was the outrage in June? Good question. Like with all the mainstream media that 'reported' in front of the federal buildings and businesses that got looted and burned down, the shootings in the CHAZ/CHOP areas and the continuous riots and chaos all over the summer last year as seen on Twitter, they told me that there was 'nothing to see here' and it was a 'mostly peaceful protest' which everyone knows is absolute BS. Both the GOP and Democrats instantly condemned the Capitol riots, but as for the summer riots, but not a single condemnation from the media of those events or even the Democrats disavowing the summer riots in June that are still continuing to this day. The outrage did not fit their narrative. Neither did it fit their definition of what they think a 'mob' is, since the main culprits behind it were BLM and Antifa, as usual.
- bigcorp-slave 6y agoSetting aside for a moment the multiple orders of magnitude difference in lethality per participant, the key distinction for me is this: what happened in the Capitol is about usurping the monopoly on violence possessed by the government. BLM is not about overthrowing the government, and has never posed a credible threat to it. Even if BLM overthrew the government, no one has been talking about mass executions. By contrast, 6MWNE was on full display at the Capitol attack, as were calls to execute legally appointed representatives. I have been half expecting Trump to declare on Twitter that anyone who kills a democrat gets a pardon. With the current state of the right wing in the US, there is a clear and present danger of us losing our democracy. When you look at the statements about the election from last _June_, or the purges at the Defense Department last fall, it is clear that this nonsense (and it is nonsense, 59 court cases and counting) about election fraud was premeditated, and so was this coup attempt. This is the Beer Hall Putsch, and it’s a mistake to see how lucky we got and say there is an equivalence to protests against police violence. Assuming you’re arguing in good faith, what you’re missing is that the outrage from this event isn’t about the five dead people, tragic though that is. It’s about the fact that armed protesters just walked into the Capitol Building while Congress was in session. We are very, very lucky we don’t have dead congresspeople. What do you think the mob that beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher in the Capitol building would have done to AOC if they’d gotten to her? We cannot afford to make the mistake Weimar Germany did. We cannot assume that because this failed the problem is gone. We cannot appease these people, we cannot treat them as benign. They must all be identified and prosecuted, and their enablers in Congress must be expelled from our governing bodies.
- syshum 6y agoThat is very much in dispute, the reports [1] have been revised [2] and it appears that the officer may have had a medical issue and was not attached by anyone [1] https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-capitol-police-officer-dies-20210108-f5sy2jrnj5d7jibygzcgiamtny-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-capitol-po... [2] https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/us-capitol-police-announce-off-duty-death-of-officer/2536485/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/us-capitol-police-a...
- grahamburger 6y agoWhere was the "we love you, we know how you feel, please go home peacefully" rhetoric in June? Imagine the inroads that could have been made if Trump actually cared about injustice against Americans! Instead he stoked the fire, and saved his adoration for his cronies to throw them under the bus when they failed to secure him his position as unelected president.
- ashayh 6y agoAttacking people protesting for racial justice is nothing new. https://twitter.com/BerniceKing/status/1300196044693741574/photo/1 https://twitter.com/BerniceKing/status/1300196044693741574/p... Same accusations were made against peaceful many time in history. There is also evidence of police instigating violence: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/26/opinion/blm-protests-police-violence.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/06/26/opinion/blm-p...
- HeyZuess 6y agoI think you would find that the majority of people do not support the riots that were happening (and still are) prior, either. So if we say, those accounts should be banned also, will that make everything ok, as both sides would/could be seen as equal? At the end of the day, we must also recognize that corporations are still run by humans. Those humans make decisions within the context of their own biases and interests. Those interests are also legal requirements in some cases. It's a tough situation, but even companies which do not have a legal requirement to do so, should be able to express their own views, and be accountable for them. I believe that actions (or threats) by Trump towards twitter earlier on expresses how the Government at the time thought that social platforms should have some accountability. > "We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen. We saw what they attempted to do, and failed, in 2016. We can't let a more sophisticated version of that.... happen again." ..... Trump