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why would I want yet another chat platform when there's already Matrix/IRC/XMPP/telegram/signal, and oh yes, Whatsapp etc?

Yoric 6y ago
I should add that Matrix p2p has been demonstrated. My understanding is that it's not ready for prime time just yet, but it works.
- jlkuester7 6y ago
  Wait, what? Matrix is working on p2p protocols?
  - Arathorn 6y ago
    https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix/ https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix/
    - jlkuester7 6y ago
      Oh wow! I must have missed that somehow! Very interesting! I have been a fan of Matrix for a long time and have been very excited by all of the progress made recently! Particularly, the new UI experience for E2E encrypted channels is amazing! You managed to get solid security without sacrificing usability. Thank you for your dedication to Matrix and its community!
      - Multicomp 6y ago
        this is why i resist new chat apps....signal is tiding me over until p2p capable, e2e by default matrix is ready to go on desktop, android and ios...then i will be ready to use, donate, buy vector hosting, and evangelize oodles.
        jlkuester7 6y ago
        That seems fair. Though, personally, as long as it can federate, I am less concerned about p2p. Some very nice features are a lot harder (impossible?) to make work in a pure p2p setup whereas federation seems to give you the best of both worlds. (AKA the benefits of an always-available server without the vender lock.) That is actually the big thing I don't like about Signal. If Open Wisper Systems decides tomorrow to turn off their server, everyones' Signal client are broke...
        Ericson2314 6y ago
        I think it's basically hit all of those but p2p?
        Multicomp 6y ago
        Correct AFAIK. I was speaking more broadly about it to explain my effusive plans
      - Arathorn 6y ago
        thanks :) There's still a way to go on E2EE UX and sadly, but we're working on it.
  - amelius 6y ago
    Couldn't the entire P2P part be abstracted away from it, so a chat client could work with any P2P technology in principle?
WClayFerguson 6y ago
Part of what the world needs is not just the "app", but an app that's Open Source MIT License, so everyone has complete freedom, rather than the original authors being able to dictate certain terms going forward, and maintain control. I've done 90% of the difficult coding in https://quanta.wiki https://quanta.wiki, which is MIT License. I just need to add the P2P part. Maybe I'm sounding like Ali G. when he invented the "flying skateboard" and had everything solved except for the "physics". :)

Yoric 6y ago

I should add that Matrix p2p has been demonstrated. My understanding is that it's not ready for prime time just yet, but it works.

jlkuester7 6y ago
Wait, what? Matrix is working on p2p protocols?
- Arathorn 6y ago
  https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix/ https://matrix.org/blog/2020/06/02/introducing-p-2-p-matrix/
  - jlkuester7 6y ago
    Oh wow! I must have missed that somehow! Very interesting! I have been a fan of Matrix for a long time and have been very excited by all of the progress made recently! Particularly, the new UI experience for E2E encrypted channels is amazing! You managed to get solid security without sacrificing usability. Thank you for your dedication to Matrix and its community!
    - Multicomp 6y ago
      this is why i resist new chat apps....signal is tiding me over until p2p capable, e2e by default matrix is ready to go on desktop, android and ios...then i will be ready to use, donate, buy vector hosting, and evangelize oodles.
      - jlkuester7 6y ago
        That seems fair. Though, personally, as long as it can federate, I am less concerned about p2p. Some very nice features are a lot harder (impossible?) to make work in a pure p2p setup whereas federation seems to give you the best of both worlds. (AKA the benefits of an always-available server without the vender lock.) That is actually the big thing I don't like about Signal. If Open Wisper Systems decides tomorrow to turn off their server, everyones' Signal client are broke...
      - Ericson2314 6y ago
        I think it's basically hit all of those but p2p?
        Multicomp 6y ago
        Correct AFAIK. I was speaking more broadly about it to explain my effusive plans
    - Arathorn 6y ago
      thanks :) There's still a way to go on E2EE UX and sadly, but we're working on it.
- amelius 6y ago
  Couldn't the entire P2P part be abstracted away from it, so a chat client could work with any P2P technology in principle?

WClayFerguson 6y ago

Part of what the world needs is not just the "app", but an app that's Open Source MIT License, so everyone has complete freedom, rather than the original authors being able to dictate certain terms going forward, and maintain control. I've done 90% of the difficult coding in https://quanta.wiki https://quanta.wiki, which is MIT License. I just need to add the P2P part. Maybe I'm sounding like Ali G. when he invented the "flying skateboard" and had everything solved except for the "physics". :)