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Oh no, they said the quiet part out loud. Newsflash, the entire global west is sub-replacement and mostly has been for decades. South Korea just hit a stunning

Oh no, they said the quiet part out loud. Newsflash, the entire global west is sub-replacement and mostly has been for decades. South Korea just hit a stunning, absolutely suicidal TFR of 0.85. And it's only going to get worse.

matheusmoreira 6y ago
So what's going to happen to those nations in the long term? Are they just going to slowly die off until they get replaced by immigrants? Suggesting this possibility somehow got me banned in several subreddits. There's something going on here.
- brighton36 6y ago
  If it's not superficial, it's offensive. Only prestigious people are licensed to have an opinion that's not superficial.
- rainworld 6y ago
  The future belongs to those who show up. Yes, there's something going on and you are not supposed to talk about it in polite society—or anywhere at this point.
- bpodgursky 6y ago
  There's no long-term plan. Even the immigrant plan sucks, because there are very few countries worldwide which aren't on a trajectory to reach replacement TFR within a decade.
gwbas1c 6y ago
> absolutely suicidal TFR of 0.85 The implications of high global population are also (with tongue planted firmly in cheek) "suicidal." With the exception of figuring out how to care for elderly with a declining population, there are many advantages to a declining population. Specifically, the planet only has so many natural resources. We can only pollute so much. If we had significantly less people, things like limited resources and pollution wouldn't be that big of a deal.
- bpodgursky 6y ago
  > If we had significantly less people, things like limited resources and pollution wouldn't be that big of a deal. The people the world does have vary in resource consumption and pollution by like 50x (Bahrain vs developing African nations). How we develop, and the technologies we invent to live sustainably, makes a dramatically bigger difference than how many people we have. And likely, an inverted age pyramid makes it far, far harder to invent these technologies, as our political systems become gerontocracies, science ossifies, and all our resources are pumped into taking care of the ever-growing elderly.

matheusmoreira 6y ago

So what's going to happen to those nations in the long term? Are they just going to slowly die off until they get replaced by immigrants? Suggesting this possibility somehow got me banned in several subreddits. There's something going on here.

brighton36 6y ago
If it's not superficial, it's offensive. Only prestigious people are licensed to have an opinion that's not superficial.
rainworld 6y ago
The future belongs to those who show up. Yes, there's something going on and you are not supposed to talk about it in polite society—or anywhere at this point.
bpodgursky 6y ago
There's no long-term plan. Even the immigrant plan sucks, because there are very few countries worldwide which aren't on a trajectory to reach replacement TFR within a decade.

gwbas1c 6y ago

> absolutely suicidal TFR of 0.85 The implications of high global population are also (with tongue planted firmly in cheek) "suicidal." With the exception of figuring out how to care for elderly with a declining population, there are many advantages to a declining population. Specifically, the planet only has so many natural resources. We can only pollute so much. If we had significantly less people, things like limited resources and pollution wouldn't be that big of a deal.

bpodgursky 6y ago
> If we had significantly less people, things like limited resources and pollution wouldn't be that big of a deal. The people the world does have vary in resource consumption and pollution by like 50x (Bahrain vs developing African nations). How we develop, and the technologies we invent to live sustainably, makes a dramatically bigger difference than how many people we have. And likely, an inverted age pyramid makes it far, far harder to invent these technologies, as our political systems become gerontocracies, science ossifies, and all our resources are pumped into taking care of the ever-growing elderly.