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US intelligence agencies have 180 days to share what they know about UFOs

124 points by sahin 6y ago

gandalfian 6y ago
What about the identified flying objects?
- wiz21c 6y ago
  rotfl!
jacknews 6y ago
Or else!
jacquesm 6y ago
That's going to be a pretty short release then.
- ineedasername 6y ago
  Especially because it has to be unclassified: "We see things and sometimes we don't know what they are". And various other more complicated ways of saying that.
aurizon 6y ago
Yes, ask ;- View;-, then verify - aye, there's the rub...
scotty79 6y ago
More footage of passing ducks and falling debris that they didn't bother to identify and filed as Unidentified?
wojciii 6y ago
The Stargate is real!?
Natsu 6y ago
Given that UFO means unidentified flying object, wouldn't that tend to look something like "X reported seeing XYZ, we don't know what it was"?
- pacamara619 6y ago
  Yes! Precisely! Somehow people started associating UFOs with flying saucers and aliens. How would they know it's aliens if the U stands for unidentified?
  - zrm 6y ago
    > Somehow people started associating UFOs with flying saucers and aliens. I saw a video (that I can't currently find) of Feynman explaining this once. The US government had a classified program that suspended 1940s saucer microphones from a balloon at a height in the atmosphere that would allow them to listen for Soviet atomic tests. The balloon crashes and some reporters are out sniffing around. Someone with loose lips lets slip that it was a flying saucer. You can imagine what the artist's rendition based on that description looked like. Then, since the program was classified, the official explanation becomes that it was a weather balloon or something, and a conspiracy theory is born.
    - apeace 6y ago
      Not sure where your source comes from, but the term came into popular use in the year 1947. It was most likely first used after Kenneth Arnold's famous report where he described a "saucer-like" shape. That story blew up, and people started reporting "flying saucers" everywhere. It even got into the heads of some government officials. For example, the initial press release given by the airforce for the Roswell incident was that they had captured a "flying disc". They later made a correction that it was a weather balloon, but you can see how the government making such statements would cause confusion and add to the mania. On the Wikipedia page for the incident you can see the original news articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident
brighton36 6y ago
There is no professional opinion on this matter. I find this so entertaining.
- ionwake 6y ago
  Because even 10 years ago there were hand held jet drones that could do everything and more than any grainy UFO footage. All UFO footage is merely tech that the authorities at the time hadn't been able to label at the time.
  - Supermancho 6y ago
    I don't talk about my singular UFO experience too often. Last time was 2013, so I guess I'm due again. It was spring break, 1996. I drove down from Sonoma State University to Orange County. From there me, my best friend from 1st grade, his highschool crush Angie (who awkwardly had a crush on me) and her younger sister Psyge (damn hippies) go to the grand canyon (another undocumented adventure). We are on our way back and stop at a diner near Joshua Tree. We drive under an hour from there and randomly pick a spot to drive off the freeway (just past Wiley's Well Rest Area off the 10fwy) and set up camp again. We have no drugs, no alcohol, and have spent a number of days together in campsites and hotels and are still in a rather good mood. It gets dark and gets a little cold. We have a raging fire. We are playing truth or dare. I pretend to throw an earring into the fire (I had dropped it in a safe edge of the fire pit where it wouldn't get hurt, with a bit of sleight of hand) and we're all abuzz about how I just destroyed Angie's nice earring and ruined the set. Then I look up. There are lights on, what appears to be, the bottom of a craft. It's floating toward us from far away, but something doesn't look right. We think there's an airbase nearby because of all the planes/helicopters flying over a ridge (across the highway and in the distance over 20 miles away) during the daytime, which is still visible by moonlight. This thing is heading from another distant place, toward the ridge (and ostensibly to the ocean). This is going to pass over us along it's path. We can't tell what it is. We can't tell if it's a formation of multiple things or 1 thing...it can't be one thing. This thing might be big. Like a building, big. Nothing appears that big unless you're really close. It must be really really low to appear that big, or it would have to be unimaginably massive. We tend the fire down and turn off the music blaring from the car, for better vision and out of nervousness. It flies near and then directly over us, blocking out the stars. A couple city blocks worth of stars are eclipsed by this silent black triangle. Even at a couple thousand feet, it's unimaginably sized. The only thing comparably massive I have seen is a cruise ship and this was bigger than The Angels Baseball Stadium. Dead silently, it floats over the highway and on toward the far ridge. Traditional craft (copters and/or planes) come from the same direction the UFO came from and along the same path toward the ridge and craft, then the UFO's lights start to move and it's tilting and then folding in a way that should not be possible, but it's just too far to make out at this point. Then the lights and shadow disappear behind the far ridge. Similar reports of what I saw (although not identical) can be found: http://www.ufoinfo.com/roundup/v01/rnd01_34.shtml http://www.ufoinfo.com/roundup/v01/rnd01_34.shtml http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/2010/06/two-triangle-ufos-photographed-over.html http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/2010/06/two-triangle-ufo... <-- these are the lights I saw but MUCH MUCH MUCH closer to the ground Back in 2001 there were still sites listing the other sightings of the same thing (and other unusual things) seen @ Joshua Tree around that time. Many of those accounts seem to have been lost to web-rot, some are featured on various Alien Encounters video trash. Interestingly, a boeing employee posted (on some random site) about stealth blimps that the US was developing, in secret, in violation of a stealth-tech non-proliferation treaty. One of the prototypes was a massive triangular blimp (there's a site now: http://www.thestealthblimp.com/ http://www.thestealthblimp.com/). This is likely what my friends and I saw. I never once believed it to be some sort of alien craft, but it did disturb me for awhile.
aergaerg 6y ago
Hunter Biden is a PEDOPHILE! - Arrest him now! https://twitter.com/vakushevan/status/1348012249479307266 https://twitter.com/vakushevan/status/1348012249479307266
ineedasername 6y ago
It's surreal that with everything going on in the US & the world, this is one of the priorities that made it into the bill.
- jariel 6y ago
  Given who's in charge, it really isn't. The President should have leaned into this harder. It could have been a really nice distraction for all the nutty people to get angry about that would have no effect on the country. It's perfectly on brand for him. He could have 'blamed the deep state' and frankly thrown in all sorts of fantasies. And then even if that playpen got knocked over, it wouldn't matter. And honestly: who wouldn't vote for someone who promised to show you all those aliens that the government is hiding! Seriously!
  - DennisAleynikov 6y ago
    agree on every step, just not the nutty association. ufos should be a bipartisan issue not some insane vendetta trump has against the "deep state" promising it probably wouldnt have as wide of an appeal outside of closeted posadism dreamers.
    - jariel 6y ago
      Of course 'it should be serious' ... but the reality is that politics is 90% theatre, and the current President's primary skill is this arena: 'The Apprentice' is work of masterful reality TV fiction, that is passed of as 'reality'. Here is an angle that he could have taken: "When I first became President they showed me some things. Very, very interesting things. Things you wouldn't believe. Crazy things, that have been going on for the last 100 years. UFOs. Secret Wars. Weapons. China. Russia. ... and a lot more. You wouldn't even believe me without the facts! I said: 'The American people have a right to know!' But they said: 'This is classified Mr. President, and it's too sensitive for them'. They have blocked me the whole time! They are so afraid that you might find out the Truth! They have been covering up for decades! You, the American people, have a right to know! But they are going to do everything they can to stop me. The bureaucrats. The hidden apparatus. The press. The Agencies. They don't believe you can handle the truth, but I DO! I'm the President, but I can tell you that I'm putting my life in danger by doing this. They will stop at nothing to keep these secrets! If you re-elect me, I'm going to declassify it. All of it! NO. MORE. SECRETS! UFOs. The wars. The 'other species'. The other side of the moon. The spacecraft - I'm telling you all of it! You have a right to know! It's time for Real Freedom, America!" ... So this is much better reality TV theatre because despite the fact there's some legitimacy to information clearing, it would be largely, politically benign. But it plays right into a deeply held populist concern in America and that is of course 'all those secrets' and it's a non-partisan issue. It also plays right into his 'Me vs. the Evil Bureaucracy' populist narrative. It's the 'ultimate conspiracy' with Libertarian shades that even more serious, intellectual types can buy into on some level - I mean really who wouldn't want to see all those secrets? It's very tantalizing I think to everyone. Most importantly - it's not hateful or divisive - a more benign kind of snake oil. Instead of 'Insurrection on Capitol Hill' - you get 'Insurrection at Area 51' - which is a nice place to keep the plebes occupied.
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spoonjim 6y ago
Now that it’s cheaper than ever to make a FO I expect to hear of a lot more UFOs.
digitalsushi 6y ago
I've always been very disappointed that evidence of UFOs has been inversely proportional with our ability to record it.
leosarev 6y ago
That's part of US legal system which always amuses me. I think it's forbidden to have a bill with different matters mixed by our (Russian) parlament's bylaws, and I was pretty sure that's a popular stipulation in many parlament systems
- eatingCake 6y ago
  Who decides that they are "different matters"?
  - alisonkisk 6y ago
    The executive and then the courts, same people who decide what every law means.
sahin 6y ago
Our universe is huge. We dont even a number to describe the amount of planets out there. If there is life on earth that come from a single cell organism, there will be millions of life forms that evolve. Aliens is not fact more like a belief. I grew up with x-files so i want to believe. If there are man made or alien made advanced crafts, governments and secret agencies in government will have vastly intelligence about them. This is the interesting part and important part: if government approves that there are objects that uses technology and physics in different ways , this will challenge thousands of minds that will lead to disruption in the tech and physics.
heelix 6y ago
I go camping near the Minnesota/Canada boarder, usually without packing along any electronics or cell signal. (I have occasionally carried a telescope in) I think it was Memorial weekend, 2019, where I saw a string of unusual satellites. Not something I'd ever seen before -- and we were all laughing that here we were, seeing UFOs, and not a single one of us had a cell phone. We found out when we were home that they were the Starlink launch. (found a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jsAKSAbpU8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jsAKSAbpU8 )
- 8bitsrule 6y ago
  UFOs have been pretty scarce in that whole region. Closest well-known one seems to be the 1953 sighting by Air Force ground radar. AF scrambled a still-missing F89 Scorpion & pilot Felix Moncla - it disappeared just off the tip of northern Michigan.
ficklepickle 6y ago
Maybe somebody here can help me understand what I saw a couple of years ago. Basically, I saw what appeared to be two satellites on a collision course. One was bright and travelling across my FOV from left to right fairly slowly. Then another much dimmer and faster light appeared in the right of my FOV and appeared to be on a collision course. At the moment of apparent collision (from my POV) they appeared to very rapidly orbit around each other some number of times, before continuing on their original course. I believe the dim one was moving more slowly than before, but I am unsure. This happened around July of 2018 I believe. From lat,lon of about 49.25,-123.12 looking south at the night sky at about 45°. My best guess is it was an optical illusion, the two satellites were at different altitude and only appeared to be on a collision course from my point of view. Some sort of lensing effect? I don't know.
- Exmoor 6y ago
  Can't explain it for you, but I saw something vaguely similar to that 10-15 years ago a couple hours drive south of there. Two satellite-type objects traveling across the sky roughly parallel and then they shifted trajectories so they crossed paths several times. Very perplexing.
- tacocataco 6y ago
  I'm not a scientist or anything, but your optical illusion, could it be this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens
hourislate 6y ago
The Agencies that are responsible in investigating/securing/storage/and study, operate outside the sphere of Government. Everything is on a need to know basis and even POTUS lacks the ability to access the information. They shot down Clinton attempts and they will shoot down any other attempt from Government.
- mcswell 6y ago
  Agencies outside the "Government"? Which government? If it's on a need-to-know, how do you know? Stuff and nonsense.
  - hourislate 6y ago
    There are videos on Youtube of President Clinton discussing his requests concerning UFO's and how it didn't really go anywhere. Harry Reid (Former House Minority leader) also discusses at length the abundance of information that is kept secret and how even the President doesn't have access to it. I'm not making it up, just repeating what these folks are saying. There are countless interviews of Government officials (Senators, Congressional members) basically being told to fuck off when looking for answers or information. Why not educate yourself and instead of dismissing them as nonsense.
yummypaint 6y ago
I came across this documentary this year and found the people interviewed to be shockingly credible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZIJ0tJD5vU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZIJ0tJD5vU The signal/noise ratio has always of course been terrible when it comes to this area, and there are tons of obvious hoaxes, charlatans, mentally ill people, and plainly bone-headed claims. However, this film does a good job of sticking to solid evidence from the best sources like former nuclear launch officers and former senate leader harry reid. It also does a good job of reviewing incidents over recent years from which military footage was released. I reccommend it to anyone wanting a good overview up to late 2020.
- secfirstmd 6y ago
  Yes some of the same people (pilots, radio operators etc) where interviewed in The Fighter Pilot Podcast (which is awesome btw) and they came across very very well. The thing that I don't think the NYT story captured well was how long the incursions had been going on for (a few weeks), how wide (some where found on the East Coast also) and how many others had seen it (Mexico also picked it up).
jjk166 6y ago
How would anyone expect to verify their compliance? It's not like they'll let you check Cheyenne mountain for any unaccounted-for stargates.
commonturtle 6y ago
Really curious to see what comes out of this.
sysout 6y ago
They disclose the truth because this is the endgame prophesied in Bible.

124 points by sahin 6y ago

gandalfian 6y ago

What about the identified flying objects?

wiz21c 6y ago
rotfl!

jacknews 6y ago

Or else!

jacquesm 6y ago

That's going to be a pretty short release then.

ineedasername 6y ago
Especially because it has to be unclassified: "We see things and sometimes we don't know what they are". And various other more complicated ways of saying that.

aurizon 6y ago

Yes, ask ;- View;-, then verify - aye, there's the rub...

scotty79 6y ago

More footage of passing ducks and falling debris that they didn't bother to identify and filed as Unidentified?

wojciii 6y ago

The Stargate is real!?

Natsu 6y ago

Given that UFO means unidentified flying object, wouldn't that tend to look something like "X reported seeing XYZ, we don't know what it was"?

pacamara619 6y ago
Yes! Precisely! Somehow people started associating UFOs with flying saucers and aliens. How would they know it's aliens if the U stands for unidentified?
- zrm 6y ago
  > Somehow people started associating UFOs with flying saucers and aliens. I saw a video (that I can't currently find) of Feynman explaining this once. The US government had a classified program that suspended 1940s saucer microphones from a balloon at a height in the atmosphere that would allow them to listen for Soviet atomic tests. The balloon crashes and some reporters are out sniffing around. Someone with loose lips lets slip that it was a flying saucer. You can imagine what the artist's rendition based on that description looked like. Then, since the program was classified, the official explanation becomes that it was a weather balloon or something, and a conspiracy theory is born.
  - apeace 6y ago
    Not sure where your source comes from, but the term came into popular use in the year 1947. It was most likely first used after Kenneth Arnold's famous report where he described a "saucer-like" shape. That story blew up, and people started reporting "flying saucers" everywhere. It even got into the heads of some government officials. For example, the initial press release given by the airforce for the Roswell incident was that they had captured a "flying disc". They later made a correction that it was a weather balloon, but you can see how the government making such statements would cause confusion and add to the mania. On the Wikipedia page for the incident you can see the original news articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident

brighton36 6y ago

There is no professional opinion on this matter. I find this so entertaining.

ionwake 6y ago
Because even 10 years ago there were hand held jet drones that could do everything and more than any grainy UFO footage. All UFO footage is merely tech that the authorities at the time hadn't been able to label at the time.
- Supermancho 6y ago
  I don't talk about my singular UFO experience too often. Last time was 2013, so I guess I'm due again. It was spring break, 1996. I drove down from Sonoma State University to Orange County. From there me, my best friend from 1st grade, his highschool crush Angie (who awkwardly had a crush on me) and her younger sister Psyge (damn hippies) go to the grand canyon (another undocumented adventure). We are on our way back and stop at a diner near Joshua Tree. We drive under an hour from there and randomly pick a spot to drive off the freeway (just past Wiley's Well Rest Area off the 10fwy) and set up camp again. We have no drugs, no alcohol, and have spent a number of days together in campsites and hotels and are still in a rather good mood. It gets dark and gets a little cold. We have a raging fire. We are playing truth or dare. I pretend to throw an earring into the fire (I had dropped it in a safe edge of the fire pit where it wouldn't get hurt, with a bit of sleight of hand) and we're all abuzz about how I just destroyed Angie's nice earring and ruined the set. Then I look up. There are lights on, what appears to be, the bottom of a craft. It's floating toward us from far away, but something doesn't look right. We think there's an airbase nearby because of all the planes/helicopters flying over a ridge (across the highway and in the distance over 20 miles away) during the daytime, which is still visible by moonlight. This thing is heading from another distant place, toward the ridge (and ostensibly to the ocean). This is going to pass over us along it's path. We can't tell what it is. We can't tell if it's a formation of multiple things or 1 thing...it can't be one thing. This thing might be big. Like a building, big. Nothing appears that big unless you're really close. It must be really really low to appear that big, or it would have to be unimaginably massive. We tend the fire down and turn off the music blaring from the car, for better vision and out of nervousness. It flies near and then directly over us, blocking out the stars. A couple city blocks worth of stars are eclipsed by this silent black triangle. Even at a couple thousand feet, it's unimaginably sized. The only thing comparably massive I have seen is a cruise ship and this was bigger than The Angels Baseball Stadium. Dead silently, it floats over the highway and on toward the far ridge. Traditional craft (copters and/or planes) come from the same direction the UFO came from and along the same path toward the ridge and craft, then the UFO's lights start to move and it's tilting and then folding in a way that should not be possible, but it's just too far to make out at this point. Then the lights and shadow disappear behind the far ridge. Similar reports of what I saw (although not identical) can be found: http://www.ufoinfo.com/roundup/v01/rnd01_34.shtml http://www.ufoinfo.com/roundup/v01/rnd01_34.shtml http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/2010/06/two-triangle-ufos-photographed-over.html http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/2010/06/two-triangle-ufo... <-- these are the lights I saw but MUCH MUCH MUCH closer to the ground Back in 2001 there were still sites listing the other sightings of the same thing (and other unusual things) seen @ Joshua Tree around that time. Many of those accounts seem to have been lost to web-rot, some are featured on various Alien Encounters video trash. Interestingly, a boeing employee posted (on some random site) about stealth blimps that the US was developing, in secret, in violation of a stealth-tech non-proliferation treaty. One of the prototypes was a massive triangular blimp (there's a site now: http://www.thestealthblimp.com/ http://www.thestealthblimp.com/). This is likely what my friends and I saw. I never once believed it to be some sort of alien craft, but it did disturb me for awhile.

aergaerg 6y ago

Hunter Biden is a PEDOPHILE! - Arrest him now! https://twitter.com/vakushevan/status/1348012249479307266 https://twitter.com/vakushevan/status/1348012249479307266

ineedasername 6y ago

It's surreal that with everything going on in the US & the world, this is one of the priorities that made it into the bill.

jariel 6y ago
Given who's in charge, it really isn't. The President should have leaned into this harder. It could have been a really nice distraction for all the nutty people to get angry about that would have no effect on the country. It's perfectly on brand for him. He could have 'blamed the deep state' and frankly thrown in all sorts of fantasies. And then even if that playpen got knocked over, it wouldn't matter. And honestly: who wouldn't vote for someone who promised to show you all those aliens that the government is hiding! Seriously!
- DennisAleynikov 6y ago
  agree on every step, just not the nutty association. ufos should be a bipartisan issue not some insane vendetta trump has against the "deep state" promising it probably wouldnt have as wide of an appeal outside of closeted posadism dreamers.
  - jariel 6y ago
    Of course 'it should be serious' ... but the reality is that politics is 90% theatre, and the current President's primary skill is this arena: 'The Apprentice' is work of masterful reality TV fiction, that is passed of as 'reality'. Here is an angle that he could have taken: "When I first became President they showed me some things. Very, very interesting things. Things you wouldn't believe. Crazy things, that have been going on for the last 100 years. UFOs. Secret Wars. Weapons. China. Russia. ... and a lot more. You wouldn't even believe me without the facts! I said: 'The American people have a right to know!' But they said: 'This is classified Mr. President, and it's too sensitive for them'. They have blocked me the whole time! They are so afraid that you might find out the Truth! They have been covering up for decades! You, the American people, have a right to know! But they are going to do everything they can to stop me. The bureaucrats. The hidden apparatus. The press. The Agencies. They don't believe you can handle the truth, but I DO! I'm the President, but I can tell you that I'm putting my life in danger by doing this. They will stop at nothing to keep these secrets! If you re-elect me, I'm going to declassify it. All of it! NO. MORE. SECRETS! UFOs. The wars. The 'other species'. The other side of the moon. The spacecraft - I'm telling you all of it! You have a right to know! It's time for Real Freedom, America!" ... So this is much better reality TV theatre because despite the fact there's some legitimacy to information clearing, it would be largely, politically benign. But it plays right into a deeply held populist concern in America and that is of course 'all those secrets' and it's a non-partisan issue. It also plays right into his 'Me vs. the Evil Bureaucracy' populist narrative. It's the 'ultimate conspiracy' with Libertarian shades that even more serious, intellectual types can buy into on some level - I mean really who wouldn't want to see all those secrets? It's very tantalizing I think to everyone. Most importantly - it's not hateful or divisive - a more benign kind of snake oil. Instead of 'Insurrection on Capitol Hill' - you get 'Insurrection at Area 51' - which is a nice place to keep the plebes occupied.

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spoonjim 6y ago

Now that it’s cheaper than ever to make a FO I expect to hear of a lot more UFOs.

digitalsushi 6y ago

I've always been very disappointed that evidence of UFOs has been inversely proportional with our ability to record it.

leosarev 6y ago

That's part of US legal system which always amuses me. I think it's forbidden to have a bill with different matters mixed by our (Russian) parlament's bylaws, and I was pretty sure that's a popular stipulation in many parlament systems

eatingCake 6y ago
Who decides that they are "different matters"?
- alisonkisk 6y ago
  The executive and then the courts, same people who decide what every law means.

sahin 6y ago

Our universe is huge. We dont even a number to describe the amount of planets out there. If there is life on earth that come from a single cell organism, there will be millions of life forms that evolve. Aliens is not fact more like a belief. I grew up with x-files so i want to believe. If there are man made or alien made advanced crafts, governments and secret agencies in government will have vastly intelligence about them. This is the interesting part and important part: if government approves that there are objects that uses technology and physics in different ways , this will challenge thousands of minds that will lead to disruption in the tech and physics.

heelix 6y ago

I go camping near the Minnesota/Canada boarder, usually without packing along any electronics or cell signal. (I have occasionally carried a telescope in) I think it was Memorial weekend, 2019, where I saw a string of unusual satellites. Not something I'd ever seen before -- and we were all laughing that here we were, seeing UFOs, and not a single one of us had a cell phone. We found out when we were home that they were the Starlink launch. (found a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jsAKSAbpU8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jsAKSAbpU8 )

8bitsrule 6y ago
UFOs have been pretty scarce in that whole region. Closest well-known one seems to be the 1953 sighting by Air Force ground radar. AF scrambled a still-missing F89 Scorpion & pilot Felix Moncla - it disappeared just off the tip of northern Michigan.

ficklepickle 6y ago

Maybe somebody here can help me understand what I saw a couple of years ago. Basically, I saw what appeared to be two satellites on a collision course. One was bright and travelling across my FOV from left to right fairly slowly. Then another much dimmer and faster light appeared in the right of my FOV and appeared to be on a collision course. At the moment of apparent collision (from my POV) they appeared to very rapidly orbit around each other some number of times, before continuing on their original course. I believe the dim one was moving more slowly than before, but I am unsure. This happened around July of 2018 I believe. From lat,lon of about 49.25,-123.12 looking south at the night sky at about 45°. My best guess is it was an optical illusion, the two satellites were at different altitude and only appeared to be on a collision course from my point of view. Some sort of lensing effect? I don't know.

Exmoor 6y ago
Can't explain it for you, but I saw something vaguely similar to that 10-15 years ago a couple hours drive south of there. Two satellite-type objects traveling across the sky roughly parallel and then they shifted trajectories so they crossed paths several times. Very perplexing.
tacocataco 6y ago
I'm not a scientist or anything, but your optical illusion, could it be this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens

hourislate 6y ago

The Agencies that are responsible in investigating/securing/storage/and study, operate outside the sphere of Government. Everything is on a need to know basis and even POTUS lacks the ability to access the information. They shot down Clinton attempts and they will shoot down any other attempt from Government.

mcswell 6y ago
Agencies outside the "Government"? Which government? If it's on a need-to-know, how do you know? Stuff and nonsense.
- hourislate 6y ago
  There are videos on Youtube of President Clinton discussing his requests concerning UFO's and how it didn't really go anywhere. Harry Reid (Former House Minority leader) also discusses at length the abundance of information that is kept secret and how even the President doesn't have access to it. I'm not making it up, just repeating what these folks are saying. There are countless interviews of Government officials (Senators, Congressional members) basically being told to fuck off when looking for answers or information. Why not educate yourself and instead of dismissing them as nonsense.

yummypaint 6y ago

I came across this documentary this year and found the people interviewed to be shockingly credible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZIJ0tJD5vU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZIJ0tJD5vU The signal/noise ratio has always of course been terrible when it comes to this area, and there are tons of obvious hoaxes, charlatans, mentally ill people, and plainly bone-headed claims. However, this film does a good job of sticking to solid evidence from the best sources like former nuclear launch officers and former senate leader harry reid. It also does a good job of reviewing incidents over recent years from which military footage was released. I reccommend it to anyone wanting a good overview up to late 2020.

secfirstmd 6y ago
Yes some of the same people (pilots, radio operators etc) where interviewed in The Fighter Pilot Podcast (which is awesome btw) and they came across very very well. The thing that I don't think the NYT story captured well was how long the incursions had been going on for (a few weeks), how wide (some where found on the East Coast also) and how many others had seen it (Mexico also picked it up).

jjk166 6y ago

How would anyone expect to verify their compliance? It's not like they'll let you check Cheyenne mountain for any unaccounted-for stargates.

commonturtle 6y ago

Really curious to see what comes out of this.

sysout 6y ago

They disclose the truth because this is the endgame prophesied in Bible.