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when we want, we can track everyone right

by WhoCaresLies 6y ago

ReactiveJelly 6y ago
I hope not. I have actual need for free speech since I'm not a fascist.
- cheaprentalyeti 6y ago
  If you're not a fascist then simply be quiet, because the Non-Fascists in control who agree with all truly decent people are going to limit themselves to censoring fascists and you have nothing to worry about.
  - generalizations 6y ago
    > First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— > Because I was not a socialist. > [...] > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Be careful in the application of your apathy.
    - Ariez 6y ago
      It's pretty clear he was being sarcastic!
      - vinceguidry 6y ago
        You just watch yourself, sarcastic twits are fourth down on today's list. And you just outed one.
      - cheaprentalyeti 6y ago
        Don't be ridiculous. Only fascist enemies of the state are ever sarcastic.
      - throw0101a 6y ago
        > It's pretty clear he was being sarcastic! Yeah… > Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.[1][2][3] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
      - Reedx 6y ago
        It's increasingly difficult to tell what's sarcasm and parody.
      - generalizations 6y ago
        No, it wasn't clear. It's not that different from views I've seen expressed on here before.
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gwbas1c 6y ago
A lot of people confuse pseudo anonymity with true anonymity. With tracking someone, "when there's a will, there's a way." The same thing applies to platforms like tor: If there's a will to track someone down, something like tor is mainly a speed bump; not a guarantee. Just look at how the Silk Road was brought down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)#Arrest_and_trial_of_Ross_Ulbricht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)#Arrest...
- shrimp_emoji 6y ago
  It's a pretty steep speed bump. Roberts was caught because he was sloppy. Centralizing the world under one ISP and legal jurisdiction would truly enable tracking anyone through Tor via timing analysis (but even then people would be able to use fancy, time-delayed mixnets). Outlawing/enforcing/banning any suspicious traffic from anyone ever would be a solid solution too. Mounting AI-monitored cameras behind every monitor or on everyone's forehead would be even better. Doing those things are even steeper speed bumps.
  - gwbas1c 6y ago
    Or was it that he didn't have the know-how? You need to have some pretty advanced knowledge to operate on the internet and not leave a trace.
    - shrimp_emoji 6y ago
      It was literally because he used the same username in multiple places and, early on, he used an email address containing his full real name.[0] If it's advanced not to do that, the bar isn't very high. :p 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest

when we want, we can track everyone right

ReactiveJelly 6y ago

I hope not. I have actual need for free speech since I'm not a fascist.

cheaprentalyeti 6y ago
If you're not a fascist then simply be quiet, because the Non-Fascists in control who agree with all truly decent people are going to limit themselves to censoring fascists and you have nothing to worry about.
- generalizations 6y ago
  > First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— > Because I was not a socialist. > [...] > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Be careful in the application of your apathy.
  - Ariez 6y ago
    It's pretty clear he was being sarcastic!
    - vinceguidry 6y ago
      You just watch yourself, sarcastic twits are fourth down on today's list. And you just outed one.
    - cheaprentalyeti 6y ago
      Don't be ridiculous. Only fascist enemies of the state are ever sarcastic.
    - throw0101a 6y ago
      > It's pretty clear he was being sarcastic! Yeah… > Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.[1][2][3] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
    - Reedx 6y ago
      It's increasingly difficult to tell what's sarcasm and parody.
    - generalizations 6y ago
      No, it wasn't clear. It's not that different from views I've seen expressed on here before.
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gwbas1c 6y ago

A lot of people confuse pseudo anonymity with true anonymity. With tracking someone, "when there's a will, there's a way." The same thing applies to platforms like tor: If there's a will to track someone down, something like tor is mainly a speed bump; not a guarantee. Just look at how the Silk Road was brought down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)#Arrest_and_trial_of_Ross_Ulbricht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)#Arrest...

shrimp_emoji 6y ago
It's a pretty steep speed bump. Roberts was caught because he was sloppy. Centralizing the world under one ISP and legal jurisdiction would truly enable tracking anyone through Tor via timing analysis (but even then people would be able to use fancy, time-delayed mixnets). Outlawing/enforcing/banning any suspicious traffic from anyone ever would be a solid solution too. Mounting AI-monitored cameras behind every monitor or on everyone's forehead would be even better. Doing those things are even steeper speed bumps.
- gwbas1c 6y ago
  Or was it that he didn't have the know-how? You need to have some pretty advanced knowledge to operate on the internet and not leave a trace.
  - shrimp_emoji 6y ago
    It was literally because he used the same username in multiple places and, early on, he used an email address containing his full real name.[0] If it's advanced not to do that, the bar isn't very high. :p 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest