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If by "wrongthink" you mean actively calling for and planning attacks on elected officials, I have no doubt that will continue to get you banned from all sorts

by tw04 6y ago

If by "wrongthink" you mean actively calling for and planning attacks on elected officials, I have no doubt that will continue to get you banned from all sorts of private enterprises. I'm confident if I show up to work on Monday and start asking people on our slack channel who wants to help me plan an assassination on an elected official I'll also be "de-platformed" for my "wrong think" by my company. This is a simple problem to to solve: stop planning and committing acts of violence because you disagree with someone else's politics. Nobody is getting banned because they think abortion is wrong or that we should try to balance the national deficit...

olivermarks 6y ago
By this logic why was @blcklivesmatter not kicked off Twitter etc long ago?
- skywhopper 6y ago
  Because they aren’t doing those things?
  - olivermarks 6y ago
    What things? Burning down small businesses, attacking people and creating 'autonomous zones'?
    - fortran77 6y ago
      Also hateful propaganda against Jews. For some strange reason, the official BLM platform denounces Jews and the indigenous peoples of Judea and Samaria. See https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/why-did-black-american-activists-start-caring-about-palestine/496088/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/why-did... for a balanced opinion on this. While I'm sympathetic to some of the problems that BLM addresses--like the militarization of our Police Forces--I can't stick my neck out for them because of their hatred of Jews.
      - olivermarks 6y ago
        I disapprove of what the Marxist BLM say, but I will defend (probably not to my death admittedly) their right to say it. This is what a liberal democracy is.
        fortran77 6y ago
        They certainly do have a right to their beliefs. I would like them better if they had a narrow focus of U.S. Police overstepping their bounds, and the mistreatment of black people in the U.S. I agree completely that that's a problem. But they've expanded their agenda beyond that, and muddled their goals.
        olivermarks 6y ago
        I think the challenge is many people have campaigned for improved civil rights and police reforms under the 'BLM' banner without knowing who the core organization actually is. In the UK you will be banned from football stadiums for performing a 'white power' clenched fist in the crowd, but the BLM Marxist black power clenched fist is performed before each match by kneeling professional players in memory of the death of George Floyd several thousand miles away and many months ago last year. This confusion about racism and efforts to signal support are IMO very clumsy, comingling Marxist politics with laudable efforts to support unfair and heavy handed policing of some black people. Similarly the comingling of a minority of 'far right' wingnuts amongst moderate conservatives, greatly amplified and distorted by the corporate media, has gravely misrepresented mainstream common sense concerns. The various sensationalist media companies have a lot to answer for, they are fanning the flames of division, encouraging bigots and ignoring the mainstream masses
      - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
        That article is pretty old. Also you are misrepresenting it, as the platform point was about Israel and Palestine, not jews. I have been unable to find a current platform, so it is unclear if that is actually still in there.
  - Dma54rhs 6y ago
    They vandalized the whole country during a god damn pandemic (how many thousand lives lost?) and their leadership has strong ties to anti semitism. So yes they very much did, in addition to this autonomous zone bs by lunatic anarchists running under the flag. Pretty sure the body count was larger than 5 too.
- tw04 6y ago
  >By this logic why was @blcklivesmatter not kicked off Twitter etc long ago? Do you mean why wasn't twitter kicked off AWS for users making calls for violence? If so: because Twitter has a moderation strategy in place that clearly isn't perfect but has proven to AWS that they're taking it seriously. If you actually meant why wasn't @blcklivesmatter kicked off twitter I guess I'm not sure what relevance that has to Parler being kicked off AWS. But my first guess would be: because they deleted the offending tweets and stopped making repeated posts calling for violence? I don't use twitter, do you have some examples of recent @blcklivesmatter tweets that are actively calling for violence against elected officials that haven't been moderated or removed?
  - throwaway45349 6y ago
    Why is a moderation strategy required at all? If I wanted to create a platform which followed US law and nothing else, I would be instantly deplatformed. Really, all I need is a legal department.
    - tw04 6y ago
      >Why is a moderation strategy required at all? If I wanted to create a platform which followed US law and nothing else, I would be instantly deplatformed. Really, all I need is a legal department. I know you created a throwaway to troll, but I'll humor you anyway. I could come up with endless reasons why a company would want to require moderation, but at the end of the day: because they say so. Amazon created the platform, Amazon creates the rules. I find it mind numbing that the same people that want to live on Parler because "freedom" simultaneously think a private company shouldn't have the freedom to choose who they do or don't want as a customer. Meanwhile gay people can't buy a wedding cake and that's A-OK because freedom.
      - throwaway45349 6y ago
        I did not create a throwaway to troll, but for safety. People have tried to harass me out of my job for being a conservative (not Trumper) before. > I find it mind numbing that the same people that want to live on Parler because "freedom" simultaneously think a private company shouldn't have the freedom to choose who they do or don't want as a customer. Meanwhile gay people can't buy a wedding cake and that's A-OK because freedom. There's plenty of hypocrisy here, I agree -- but the real issue is scale. Just a handful of companies in SV control the free flow of information, globally, and they're using that to suppress a group of people. I'm not saying we should overturn their property rights, but that I disagree with them from a moral standpoint.
erulabs 6y ago
Technically, Parlor the company didn't do anything you mentioned? They failed to moderate - but I mean, so has Facebook? So has the comment section of my old blog from 2001? If a user posts a call to violence - well to hell with them and who cares if they get booted off - but this more like if Google was shut down because it had a search-result for a call to violence. Unless there is some statement from the Parlor company itself that calls for violence that I've missed. Taken one step further, what is the difference between Parlor and AWS in this case - technically speaking, the calls for violence were on AWS's platform after all...
- tw04 6y ago
  >Technically, Parlor the company didn't do anything you mentioned? They failed to moderate - but I mean, so has Facebook? So has the comment section of my old blog from 2001? What does Facebook have to do with the current discussion? Facebook isn't hosted on Amazon. >Taken one step further, what is the difference between Parlor and AWS in this case - technically speaking, the calls for violence were on AWS's platform after all... I guess I don't understand what you're getting at. It was indeed on AWS's platform. As part of hosting content on AWS you agree to not allow content calling for violence against others. They failed to moderate their users, so Amazon is moderating them.

by tw04 6y ago

olivermarks 6y ago

By this logic why was @blcklivesmatter not kicked off Twitter etc long ago?

skywhopper 6y ago
Because they aren’t doing those things?
- olivermarks 6y ago
  What things? Burning down small businesses, attacking people and creating 'autonomous zones'?
  - fortran77 6y ago
    Also hateful propaganda against Jews. For some strange reason, the official BLM platform denounces Jews and the indigenous peoples of Judea and Samaria. See https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/why-did-black-american-activists-start-caring-about-palestine/496088/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/why-did... for a balanced opinion on this. While I'm sympathetic to some of the problems that BLM addresses--like the militarization of our Police Forces--I can't stick my neck out for them because of their hatred of Jews.
    - olivermarks 6y ago
      I disapprove of what the Marxist BLM say, but I will defend (probably not to my death admittedly) their right to say it. This is what a liberal democracy is.
      - fortran77 6y ago
        They certainly do have a right to their beliefs. I would like them better if they had a narrow focus of U.S. Police overstepping their bounds, and the mistreatment of black people in the U.S. I agree completely that that's a problem. But they've expanded their agenda beyond that, and muddled their goals.
        olivermarks 6y ago
        I think the challenge is many people have campaigned for improved civil rights and police reforms under the 'BLM' banner without knowing who the core organization actually is. In the UK you will be banned from football stadiums for performing a 'white power' clenched fist in the crowd, but the BLM Marxist black power clenched fist is performed before each match by kneeling professional players in memory of the death of George Floyd several thousand miles away and many months ago last year. This confusion about racism and efforts to signal support are IMO very clumsy, comingling Marxist politics with laudable efforts to support unfair and heavy handed policing of some black people. Similarly the comingling of a minority of 'far right' wingnuts amongst moderate conservatives, greatly amplified and distorted by the corporate media, has gravely misrepresented mainstream common sense concerns. The various sensationalist media companies have a lot to answer for, they are fanning the flames of division, encouraging bigots and ignoring the mainstream masses
    - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
      That article is pretty old. Also you are misrepresenting it, as the platform point was about Israel and Palestine, not jews. I have been unable to find a current platform, so it is unclear if that is actually still in there.
- Dma54rhs 6y ago
  They vandalized the whole country during a god damn pandemic (how many thousand lives lost?) and their leadership has strong ties to anti semitism. So yes they very much did, in addition to this autonomous zone bs by lunatic anarchists running under the flag. Pretty sure the body count was larger than 5 too.
tw04 6y ago
>By this logic why was @blcklivesmatter not kicked off Twitter etc long ago? Do you mean why wasn't twitter kicked off AWS for users making calls for violence? If so: because Twitter has a moderation strategy in place that clearly isn't perfect but has proven to AWS that they're taking it seriously. If you actually meant why wasn't @blcklivesmatter kicked off twitter I guess I'm not sure what relevance that has to Parler being kicked off AWS. But my first guess would be: because they deleted the offending tweets and stopped making repeated posts calling for violence? I don't use twitter, do you have some examples of recent @blcklivesmatter tweets that are actively calling for violence against elected officials that haven't been moderated or removed?
- throwaway45349 6y ago
  Why is a moderation strategy required at all? If I wanted to create a platform which followed US law and nothing else, I would be instantly deplatformed. Really, all I need is a legal department.
  - tw04 6y ago
    >Why is a moderation strategy required at all? If I wanted to create a platform which followed US law and nothing else, I would be instantly deplatformed. Really, all I need is a legal department. I know you created a throwaway to troll, but I'll humor you anyway. I could come up with endless reasons why a company would want to require moderation, but at the end of the day: because they say so. Amazon created the platform, Amazon creates the rules. I find it mind numbing that the same people that want to live on Parler because "freedom" simultaneously think a private company shouldn't have the freedom to choose who they do or don't want as a customer. Meanwhile gay people can't buy a wedding cake and that's A-OK because freedom.
    - throwaway45349 6y ago
      I did not create a throwaway to troll, but for safety. People have tried to harass me out of my job for being a conservative (not Trumper) before. > I find it mind numbing that the same people that want to live on Parler because "freedom" simultaneously think a private company shouldn't have the freedom to choose who they do or don't want as a customer. Meanwhile gay people can't buy a wedding cake and that's A-OK because freedom. There's plenty of hypocrisy here, I agree -- but the real issue is scale. Just a handful of companies in SV control the free flow of information, globally, and they're using that to suppress a group of people. I'm not saying we should overturn their property rights, but that I disagree with them from a moral standpoint.

erulabs 6y ago

Technically, Parlor the company didn't do anything you mentioned? They failed to moderate - but I mean, so has Facebook? So has the comment section of my old blog from 2001? If a user posts a call to violence - well to hell with them and who cares if they get booted off - but this more like if Google was shut down because it had a search-result for a call to violence. Unless there is some statement from the Parlor company itself that calls for violence that I've missed. Taken one step further, what is the difference between Parlor and AWS in this case - technically speaking, the calls for violence were on AWS's platform after all...

tw04 6y ago
>Technically, Parlor the company didn't do anything you mentioned? They failed to moderate - but I mean, so has Facebook? So has the comment section of my old blog from 2001? What does Facebook have to do with the current discussion? Facebook isn't hosted on Amazon. >Taken one step further, what is the difference between Parlor and AWS in this case - technically speaking, the calls for violence were on AWS's platform after all... I guess I don't understand what you're getting at. It was indeed on AWS's platform. As part of hosting content on AWS you agree to not allow content calling for violence against others. They failed to moderate their users, so Amazon is moderating them.