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My grandmother survived the Bolshevik revolution, a real, actually violent left. That you would even dare compare the "radical left" of the US with actual viole

My grandmother survived the Bolshevik revolution, a real, actually violent left. That you would even dare compare the "radical left" of the US with actual violent revolutionaries makes me question how much of the matter you actually know.

apta_ 6y ago
There are degrees of radicalism. BLM founders already described themselves as "trained Marxists". That's sufficient for anyone paying attention to be concerned.
- cauthon 6y ago
  I would think the law enforcement officer beaten to death with a fire extinguisher would be greater cause for concern, but I’m not a moron
  - apta_ 6y ago
    And BLM rioters didn't also attack police? Give me a break. Both extreme sides need to be dealt with.
    - demifiend 6y ago
      Do BLM protesters openly carry rifles and shotguns like the Black Panthers used to? Do they actually fire on police? I doubt it, and unless you can provide footage from the Associated Press or Agence France-Presse I don't think there's any evidence you could provide that might convince me otherwise.
      - burtcooper 6y ago
        LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — Hundreds of armed, predominantly Black, activists demanded justice for Breonna Taylor... Enjoy the photos. Took all of one google search. https://www.tampabay.com/news/nation-world/2020/07/25/breonna-taylor-protest-brings-black-white-militias-to-louisville/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/nation-world/2020/07/25/breonn...
        demifiend 6y ago
        No police wounded or even fired upon. Only three white militia members got hurt, and their lives don't matter to me.
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      - burtcooper 6y ago
        If it’s dead cops you want google 2016 Dallas BLM ambush. 5 dead, 12 wounded enough? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting...
        demifiend 6y ago
        > If it’s dead cops you want google 2016 Dallas BLM ambush. That's not how this works. If you want to persuade me, it's up to you to provide evidence. Telling me to google something doesn't count. Now, fuck off back to 4chan. You haven't engaged with anybody but me since you created your account, and I don't find your singular focus especially flattering.
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    - three_seagrass 6y ago
      >whatabout BLM So then you agree that the Republican insurrectionists invading and looting the nations capitol this week were bad?
      - burtcooper 6y ago
        Every bit as disgusting as the nationwide BLM rioting, looting and arson. Anyone who disagrees is a hypocrite.
      - dang 6y ago
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        cauthon 6y ago
        I’m not the user you’re replying to here, but I apologize for making unconstructive comments earlier in the thread instead of flagging. Thanks for all the work you do to moderate this community.
        dang 6y ago
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- demifiend 6y ago
  And what, exactly, is a "trained Marxist"? Can they quote chapter and verse of Capital and The Communist Manifesto from memory? Having spent a few years on the Fediverse, I've found that "the left" in the US consists mainly of book clubs and struggle sessions. The book clubs just read and debate theory ad nauseum. They're a joke, and if you gave most of them an AR-15 they'd shoot themselves in the foot. The struggle sessions look for people slightly less poorly off than themselves to bully. If they can't find a right-winger, they'll happily go after somebody who's only 99.999% on board with their program. Failing that, they'll pick one of their own at random, accuse them of insufficient ideological purity, and bully them. They're a joke, too, only not quite as funny as the book clubbers.

apta_ 6y ago

There are degrees of radicalism. BLM founders already described themselves as "trained Marxists". That's sufficient for anyone paying attention to be concerned.

cauthon 6y ago
I would think the law enforcement officer beaten to death with a fire extinguisher would be greater cause for concern, but I’m not a moron
- apta_ 6y ago
  And BLM rioters didn't also attack police? Give me a break. Both extreme sides need to be dealt with.
  - demifiend 6y ago
    Do BLM protesters openly carry rifles and shotguns like the Black Panthers used to? Do they actually fire on police? I doubt it, and unless you can provide footage from the Associated Press or Agence France-Presse I don't think there's any evidence you could provide that might convince me otherwise.
    - burtcooper 6y ago
      LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — Hundreds of armed, predominantly Black, activists demanded justice for Breonna Taylor... Enjoy the photos. Took all of one google search. https://www.tampabay.com/news/nation-world/2020/07/25/breonna-taylor-protest-brings-black-white-militias-to-louisville/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/nation-world/2020/07/25/breonn...
      - demifiend 6y ago
        No police wounded or even fired upon. Only three white militia members got hurt, and their lives don't matter to me.
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    - burtcooper 6y ago
      If it’s dead cops you want google 2016 Dallas BLM ambush. 5 dead, 12 wounded enough? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting...
      - demifiend 6y ago
        > If it’s dead cops you want google 2016 Dallas BLM ambush. That's not how this works. If you want to persuade me, it's up to you to provide evidence. Telling me to google something doesn't count. Now, fuck off back to 4chan. You haven't engaged with anybody but me since you created your account, and I don't find your singular focus especially flattering.
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  - three_seagrass 6y ago
    >whatabout BLM So then you agree that the Republican insurrectionists invading and looting the nations capitol this week were bad?
    - burtcooper 6y ago
      Every bit as disgusting as the nationwide BLM rioting, looting and arson. Anyone who disagrees is a hypocrite.
    - dang 6y ago
      Please stop posting ideological battle comments to HN, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. Fuelling hellflames is against the site guidelines, which ask you to flag egregious rather than replying to them (a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls). We're trying for something else here than internet default and need users to know the intended purpose and stick to it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - cauthon 6y ago
        I’m not the user you’re replying to here, but I apologize for making unconstructive comments earlier in the thread instead of flagging. Thanks for all the work you do to moderate this community.
        dang 6y ago
        Appreciated!
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demifiend 6y ago
And what, exactly, is a "trained Marxist"? Can they quote chapter and verse of Capital and The Communist Manifesto from memory? Having spent a few years on the Fediverse, I've found that "the left" in the US consists mainly of book clubs and struggle sessions. The book clubs just read and debate theory ad nauseum. They're a joke, and if you gave most of them an AR-15 they'd shoot themselves in the foot. The struggle sessions look for people slightly less poorly off than themselves to bully. If they can't find a right-winger, they'll happily go after somebody who's only 99.999% on board with their program. Failing that, they'll pick one of their own at random, accuse them of insufficient ideological purity, and bully them. They're a joke, too, only not quite as funny as the book clubbers.