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Slippery slope is accelerating. Soon any wrongthink will get you banned by the tech cabal.

by dstola 6y ago

linuxftw 6y ago
It will already get banned from working for them.
winton 6y ago
The platform is being actively used to plan attacks on our government... at a certain point this becomes a liability to any party that enabled it. As it should.
- est 6y ago
  How do you think censorship were started in other coutries? To prevent attacks on the goverment.
- rvn1045 6y ago
  Would't you want to read the plans in an open platform where anybody on Parler can have access to it? Now these plans will go underground and will be harder to track.
Sebguer 6y ago
Slippery slope does not mean "a thing I don't like" happened. Amazon had multiple, clear asks that Parler refused to adopt. They didn't even delete posts that Amazon had sent to them and informed them were problematic. That's literally the bare minimum.
- dstola 6y ago
  Slippery Slope means just that, persistent and constant escalation of censorship which is exactly what is happening right now. Amazon jumped on the bandwagon behind Google Play and Apple store and Twitch and Facebook for internet SJW points and to not be left behind in the "I don't like what they say" Olympics. I don't particularly agree with the messages of Parler or lean right at all, I am a staunch libertarian and believe that any and all opinions should be heard. "Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." - not sure who to attribute it to since I don't know, but it is almost certain this censorship wave was started by a political party for political goals. The end result is the same.
  - jumelles 6y ago
    > Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition Well it's a good thing the government had nothing to do with this decision then!
    - dstola 6y ago
      I think you underestimate the effect of politics in big tech. Lobbying happens for a reason and big tech does a very big portion of it.
  - akhilcacharya 6y ago
    Weird for a libertarian to believe that a private corporation should be forced to accommodate potential customers...
    - dstola 6y ago
      Missing the point here. My issue is silencing free speech/expression/liberty to do those things, not about any corporation in particular
- stale2002 6y ago
  > Slippery slope does not mean "a thing I don't like" happened We are sliding down the slope at breakneck speed. Slippery slope is not about a single thing happening. Instead, it is about one thing leading to another leading to another. And I see a whole bunch of things leading to another and leading to another. Every 2 hours goes by, and another escalation happens. The only question next is when will the escalation stop? Because clearly we have far far escalated past the point where we were a couple months ago, which was simply "Well, a couple nazis got banned on twitter". We have zoomed ahead on the escalation to the point where a service with 10 million users is booted off of borderline critical internet infrastructure, with less than 12 hours of warning to do anything about it. The slope, quite clearly, was pretty slippery it seems!
  - Sebguer 6y ago
    Less than 12 hours warning? Amazon had clearly previously communicated with them before today, even having a phone call with them in the last 24 hours. Clearly provided them with examples of problematic content, which Parler didn't even do the bare minimum and remove. A bunch of companies deciding that unmoderated violence should not be given space on their platforms, or using their tools, is not a slippery slope.
    - stale2002 6y ago
      > is not a slippery slope. One action is leading to another and leading to even more actions. That quite clearly falls under the principle of a slippery slope. That is what people mean when they say "slippery slope". Imagine like an actual slope. That is slippery, because it has greese on it. And you slip down the slope. Clearly, we are slipping down that slope very quickly. First it was action X, which everyone agrees was done against someone who deserved it, then it was action Y which was an escalation, and then it was action Z that was another escalation. Surely you should see how it is an escalation to go from "A couple nazis get banned on twitter", to where we are at now which it important computing infrastructure kicking major services off of the platform?
      - 6y ago
tw04 6y ago
If by "wrongthink" you mean actively calling for and planning attacks on elected officials, I have no doubt that will continue to get you banned from all sorts of private enterprises. I'm confident if I show up to work on Monday and start asking people on our slack channel who wants to help me plan an assassination on an elected official I'll also be "de-platformed" for my "wrong think" by my company. This is a simple problem to to solve: stop planning and committing acts of violence because you disagree with someone else's politics. Nobody is getting banned because they think abortion is wrong or that we should try to balance the national deficit...
- olivermarks 6y ago
  By this logic why was @blcklivesmatter not kicked off Twitter etc long ago?
  - skywhopper 6y ago
    Because they aren’t doing those things?
    - olivermarks 6y ago
      What things? Burning down small businesses, attacking people and creating 'autonomous zones'?
      - fortran77 6y ago
        Also hateful propaganda against Jews. For some strange reason, the official BLM platform denounces Jews and the indigenous peoples of Judea and Samaria. See https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/why-did-black-american-activists-start-caring-about-palestine/496088/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/why-did... for a balanced opinion on this. While I'm sympathetic to some of the problems that BLM addresses--like the militarization of our Police Forces--I can't stick my neck out for them because of their hatred of Jews.
cjohnson318 6y ago
Giving people a safe space to network and plan attacks on US soil (or anywhere) is not "wrongthink", it is wrong.

Slippery slope is accelerating. Soon any wrongthink will get you banned by the tech cabal.

by dstola 6y ago

Slippery slope is accelerating. Soon any wrongthink will get you banned by the tech cabal.

linuxftw 6y ago

It will already get banned from working for them.

winton 6y ago

The platform is being actively used to plan attacks on our government... at a certain point this becomes a liability to any party that enabled it. As it should.

est 6y ago
How do you think censorship were started in other coutries? To prevent attacks on the goverment.
rvn1045 6y ago
Would't you want to read the plans in an open platform where anybody on Parler can have access to it? Now these plans will go underground and will be harder to track.

Sebguer 6y ago

Slippery slope does not mean "a thing I don't like" happened. Amazon had multiple, clear asks that Parler refused to adopt. They didn't even delete posts that Amazon had sent to them and informed them were problematic. That's literally the bare minimum.

dstola 6y ago
Slippery Slope means just that, persistent and constant escalation of censorship which is exactly what is happening right now. Amazon jumped on the bandwagon behind Google Play and Apple store and Twitch and Facebook for internet SJW points and to not be left behind in the "I don't like what they say" Olympics. I don't particularly agree with the messages of Parler or lean right at all, I am a staunch libertarian and believe that any and all opinions should be heard. "Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." - not sure who to attribute it to since I don't know, but it is almost certain this censorship wave was started by a political party for political goals. The end result is the same.
- jumelles 6y ago
  > Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition Well it's a good thing the government had nothing to do with this decision then!
  - dstola 6y ago
    I think you underestimate the effect of politics in big tech. Lobbying happens for a reason and big tech does a very big portion of it.
- akhilcacharya 6y ago
  Weird for a libertarian to believe that a private corporation should be forced to accommodate potential customers...
  - dstola 6y ago
    Missing the point here. My issue is silencing free speech/expression/liberty to do those things, not about any corporation in particular
stale2002 6y ago
> Slippery slope does not mean "a thing I don't like" happened We are sliding down the slope at breakneck speed. Slippery slope is not about a single thing happening. Instead, it is about one thing leading to another leading to another. And I see a whole bunch of things leading to another and leading to another. Every 2 hours goes by, and another escalation happens. The only question next is when will the escalation stop? Because clearly we have far far escalated past the point where we were a couple months ago, which was simply "Well, a couple nazis got banned on twitter". We have zoomed ahead on the escalation to the point where a service with 10 million users is booted off of borderline critical internet infrastructure, with less than 12 hours of warning to do anything about it. The slope, quite clearly, was pretty slippery it seems!
- Sebguer 6y ago
  Less than 12 hours warning? Amazon had clearly previously communicated with them before today, even having a phone call with them in the last 24 hours. Clearly provided them with examples of problematic content, which Parler didn't even do the bare minimum and remove. A bunch of companies deciding that unmoderated violence should not be given space on their platforms, or using their tools, is not a slippery slope.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    > is not a slippery slope. One action is leading to another and leading to even more actions. That quite clearly falls under the principle of a slippery slope. That is what people mean when they say "slippery slope". Imagine like an actual slope. That is slippery, because it has greese on it. And you slip down the slope. Clearly, we are slipping down that slope very quickly. First it was action X, which everyone agrees was done against someone who deserved it, then it was action Y which was an escalation, and then it was action Z that was another escalation. Surely you should see how it is an escalation to go from "A couple nazis get banned on twitter", to where we are at now which it important computing infrastructure kicking major services off of the platform?
    - 6y ago

tw04 6y ago

If by "wrongthink" you mean actively calling for and planning attacks on elected officials, I have no doubt that will continue to get you banned from all sorts of private enterprises. I'm confident if I show up to work on Monday and start asking people on our slack channel who wants to help me plan an assassination on an elected official I'll also be "de-platformed" for my "wrong think" by my company. This is a simple problem to to solve: stop planning and committing acts of violence because you disagree with someone else's politics. Nobody is getting banned because they think abortion is wrong or that we should try to balance the national deficit...

olivermarks 6y ago
By this logic why was @blcklivesmatter not kicked off Twitter etc long ago?
- skywhopper 6y ago
  Because they aren’t doing those things?
  - olivermarks 6y ago
    What things? Burning down small businesses, attacking people and creating 'autonomous zones'?
    - fortran77 6y ago
      Also hateful propaganda against Jews. For some strange reason, the official BLM platform denounces Jews and the indigenous peoples of Judea and Samaria. See https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/why-did-black-american-activists-start-caring-about-palestine/496088/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/why-did... for a balanced opinion on this. While I'm sympathetic to some of the problems that BLM addresses--like the militarization of our Police Forces--I can't stick my neck out for them because of their hatred of Jews.

cjohnson318 6y ago

Giving people a safe space to network and plan attacks on US soil (or anywhere) is not "wrongthink", it is wrong.