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Lets consider this possibility: if there was systemic voter fraud [1] then this is again another action done to supress the information and prevent from more pe

Lets consider this possibility: if there was systemic voter fraud [1] then this is again another action done to supress the information and prevent from more people learning about the possible voter fraud. Not only are social media platforms supressing voices, there is also the media which has the option to decide what to cover and what not to. These are the primary ways people stay informed. Note: not an American. [1]: https://hereistheevidence.com/ https://hereistheevidence.com/

jumelles 6y ago
The lies you're repeating have now gotten people killed.
- condomhacker 6y ago
  The supression of discussion has caused creation of echo chambers which lead to people being killed. ___ I do not advocate violence.
Daishiman 6y ago
Take this garbage out of the way. There was no systemic fraud. You are peddling lies.
- condomhacker 6y ago
  A hypothesis is not a lie.
  - Daishiman 6y ago
    It's about as much of a hypothesis as it is to say that my TV works because there's tiny elves in the electronics or that unicorns are real.
    - condomhacker 6y ago
      We're not kids to be arguing over silly examples like this.
      - Daishiman 6y ago
        No, but losing 60-something court cases, many of those with judges appointed by the very same administration fighting this, with many of the attorneys in questions getting their credentials questioned to the border of disbarrment... yeah, I have nothing else to add.
        logicchains 6y ago
        >losing 60-something court cases This is misinformation. They didn't lose 60-something cases, the vast majority of cases were rejected for lack of standing, i.e. the courts refused to even hear them.
        detaro 6y ago
        Would you prefer "not winning 60+ lawsuits" as a more correct wording? IMHO being thrown out for lack of standing is either pretty much "loosing" (bringing an argument for why you have standing and the court rejecting it, in cases where it isn't clear that's certainly a valid thing to do) or worse (not even managing to file a proper lawsuit - although not caring for that makes it of course easier to spam an impressive-sounding number). And it's not the like the cases where they weren't rejected for lack of standing generally went much better?
netsharc 6y ago
Man, that site has pretty flimsy "evidence". Many of them are just links to news articles where people assert things. A news article from someone claiming between 120K to 305K votes might be faked is presented on the site as "expert witness" as a source for the "evidence" that "300K votes were faked"...
- condomhacker 6y ago
  There are over a thousand links and not all of it is strong evidence but they surely suggest that there were irregularities in more than one location. There are sworn affidavits under penalty of prejury [1], video showing dead people voting [2], votes in the trash [3], video evience [4] just to give you some examples. [1]: https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/Miller_DeclarationAndAnalyisPA_GOP_BallotRequestData_2020_Final.pdf https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/Miller_D... [2]: https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324237476186202113 https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324237476186202113 [3]: https://lbry.tv/@CapitalistChile:0/shredded-ballots-have-been-found-in-2:1 https://lbry.tv/@CapitalistChile:0/shredded-ballots-have-bee... [4]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0xDWhWUxk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0xDWhWUxk
  - harryh 6y ago
    What you are doing here is a classic Gish Gallop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop You're presenting a large number of unsourced claims with weak or non existent evidence that take time and effort to track down and debunk. In these sorts of situations the burden of proof is on the accuser and you aren't even close to that standard. Let's just pick "video showing dead people voting" from above. It ignores the fact that two different people can have the same name. And often this happens in the same family with people living at the same address. In an election with over 150M votes cast, there is every reason to believe there would be plenty of instances of daughters with the same names as their dead mothers casting votes. There's no evidence that this isn't what happened here. It's also worth noting that Trump and his associates brought a lot of the so called "evidence" to court and were nearly laughed out of court almost every single time.

jumelles 6y ago

The lies you're repeating have now gotten people killed.

condomhacker 6y ago
The supression of discussion has caused creation of echo chambers which lead to people being killed. ___ I do not advocate violence.

Daishiman 6y ago

Take this garbage out of the way. There was no systemic fraud. You are peddling lies.

condomhacker 6y ago
A hypothesis is not a lie.
- Daishiman 6y ago
  It's about as much of a hypothesis as it is to say that my TV works because there's tiny elves in the electronics or that unicorns are real.
  - condomhacker 6y ago
    We're not kids to be arguing over silly examples like this.
    - Daishiman 6y ago
      No, but losing 60-something court cases, many of those with judges appointed by the very same administration fighting this, with many of the attorneys in questions getting their credentials questioned to the border of disbarrment... yeah, I have nothing else to add.
      - logicchains 6y ago
        >losing 60-something court cases This is misinformation. They didn't lose 60-something cases, the vast majority of cases were rejected for lack of standing, i.e. the courts refused to even hear them.
        detaro 6y ago
        Would you prefer "not winning 60+ lawsuits" as a more correct wording? IMHO being thrown out for lack of standing is either pretty much "loosing" (bringing an argument for why you have standing and the court rejecting it, in cases where it isn't clear that's certainly a valid thing to do) or worse (not even managing to file a proper lawsuit - although not caring for that makes it of course easier to spam an impressive-sounding number). And it's not the like the cases where they weren't rejected for lack of standing generally went much better?

netsharc 6y ago

Man, that site has pretty flimsy "evidence". Many of them are just links to news articles where people assert things. A news article from someone claiming between 120K to 305K votes might be faked is presented on the site as "expert witness" as a source for the "evidence" that "300K votes were faked"...

condomhacker 6y ago
There are over a thousand links and not all of it is strong evidence but they surely suggest that there were irregularities in more than one location. There are sworn affidavits under penalty of prejury [1], video showing dead people voting [2], votes in the trash [3], video evience [4] just to give you some examples. [1]: https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/Miller_DeclarationAndAnalyisPA_GOP_BallotRequestData_2020_Final.pdf https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/Miller_D... [2]: https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324237476186202113 https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1324237476186202113 [3]: https://lbry.tv/@CapitalistChile:0/shredded-ballots-have-been-found-in-2:1 https://lbry.tv/@CapitalistChile:0/shredded-ballots-have-bee... [4]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0xDWhWUxk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0xDWhWUxk
- harryh 6y ago
  What you are doing here is a classic Gish Gallop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop You're presenting a large number of unsourced claims with weak or non existent evidence that take time and effort to track down and debunk. In these sorts of situations the burden of proof is on the accuser and you aren't even close to that standard. Let's just pick "video showing dead people voting" from above. It ignores the fact that two different people can have the same name. And often this happens in the same family with people living at the same address. In an election with over 150M votes cast, there is every reason to believe there would be plenty of instances of daughters with the same names as their dead mothers casting votes. There's no evidence that this isn't what happened here. It's also worth noting that Trump and his associates brought a lot of the so called "evidence" to court and were nearly laughed out of court almost every single time.