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It was only two hours ago when I wrote: "I'm curious if this will also escalate to low-level platforms (will hosting companies, registrars, or even ISPs start t
by ve55 6y ago
It was only two hours ago when I wrote: "I'm curious if this will also escalate to low-level platforms (will hosting companies, registrars, or even ISPs start taking similar actions on a regular basis?)" when Apple removed the app, following Google Play from yesterday.
It would seem this cycle is certainly not done perpetuating itself as of yet. I think we are going to have some rough times ahead of us unfortunately. I have no interest in this app or those on it, but they are probably going to get much more upset and feel much more persecuted.
- sbinthree 6y agoI was wondering if you were online to see it and thinking about that comment. I was really surprised to read that, AWS is another level beyond social media de-platforming. Wouldn't there be other harmful things hosted on AWS? Who governs this?
- ve55 6y agoYes, and I think that's one of the first complaints that many think of here, e.g. how many users on Twitter are there that post worse things than Trump, how many thousands of websites does AWS host that are worse than Parler?, and so on. One might object "Sure, enforcement is not perfect and some bad actors will get by. But at least we are removing some things instead of nothing!", and while they are right about this as a first-order effect, they are missing what happens afterwards: people will, rightfully so, identity that policies are not evenly enforced, and this can have many further effects down the line.
- bavell 6y agoAgreed, I think the underlying problem here is selective enforcement.
- olivermarks 6y agoWhat happened to a cornerstone of American free world values "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Free speech is in grave danger
- olivermarks 6y agoThe downvotes say it all, it's a tragedy
- flunhat 6y agoWhat happened was an attempted political assassination: Q anon supporters stormed the capitol with guns, zip ties, and pipe bombs, chanting "hang mike pence." I imagine we make "I will kill you" exemptions for free speech.
- olivermarks 6y agoThis is wildly incorrect. ' Q anon supporters storming the capitol with guns, zip ties, and pipe bombs, chanting "hang mike pence' is a dangerous media fantasy. A huge number of people demonstrated, a tiny number broke the law. We are entering very dangerous, 1930's Reichstag like 'problem, reaction, solution' authoritarianism with these free speech crack downs. Patriot Act 2.0 is ready to go versus 'domestic terrorists'.
- flunhat 6y agoThere's video evidence, lol: https://twitter.com/59dallas/status/1346963199778828290?s=20 https://twitter.com/59dallas/status/1346963199778828290?s=20
- olivermarks 6y agoYes of course there is, along with a motley crew straight out of central casting in bizarre outfits posing for press photos... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire_Decree 'Seizing on the burning of the Reichstag building as the supposed opening salvo in a communist uprising, the Nazis were able to throw millions of Germans into a convulsion of fear at the threat of Communist terror' For communists read Qanon, proud boys et etc
- awill 6y agobut is perfect enforcement even possible? If it isn't, does that mean companies shouldn't bother enforcing at all? I agree, it's a very complicated issue, and there will be repercussions, but that shouldn't stop a company from taking down this sort of thing. No reasonable company wants to be associated with this. Especially if people on Parler are planning something worse in the future.
- cujo 6y agoThe number of users that almost pulled off an insurrection is pretty small.
- sjwalter 6y agoCalling a bunch of unarmed morons taking selfies inside the Capitol building an "insurrection" is totally absurd. It's as though you think that it's a videogame, like whoever has that building has all the power. LOL!
- mkull 6y agoWay to belittle what actually happened https://youtu.be/cJOgGsC0G9U https://youtu.be/cJOgGsC0G9U We are lucky more didnt die
- sjwalter 6y agoStop being so afraid.
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- denom 6y agoPhysical votes, people’s lives, including leaderships, were at stake.
- sjwalter 6y agoThis is hilarious. We're all so worried for those fair, upright, excellent Congresspeople, whose day's work was delayed by almost five whole hours. During which the leader of this "insurrection" appealed for peace and the day after completely gave in. If that's the insurrection you people are afraid of, you're gigantic wusses.
- DarmokJalad1701 6y ago
- conception 6y agoIf harmful is planning impending terrorists attacks, they should also be removed, yes. People weren’t and aren’t up in arms when Isis gets deplatformed.
- mynameishere 6y agoIf people are actually plotting attacks on an open platform, they should be reported to law enforcement. Deleting their accounts may actually give them a nudge towards using proper OPSEC. Obviously, we aren't talking about people actually plotting attacks though.
- pixl97 6y agoThe federal law enforcement currently in control by a seditious and insurrectionist president?
- at_a_remove 6y agoIs Cloudflare still hosting ISIS sites? I know it was when the owner woke up in a "bad mood" and booted the first site from the service.
- mxcrossb 6y agoThere are a lot of rumors right now that the president will spin up his own media service after leaving office. He even hinted at that in his last tweets. Parler recent troubles is maybe opening up a space for him. But I’m curious what steps they will take to avoid this situation. I suspect it will be heavily moderated...
- throwaway9980 6y agoInteresting. I wonder if software has already been developed and is just waiting for launch. Just imagine him doing a daily livestream on his own social platform. Ugh. It’s also rumored that he’s fleeing to Scotland ahead of the inauguration. He could be planning to operate an opposition platform from the relative safety of a foreign location.
- pm90 6y agoI find it hard to imagine that anyone, let alone Tr*p and his coterie, can just spin up an engaging social media platform in short order, especially if they can’t be hosted on well known cloud infrastructure. Additionally even if he does somehow succeed, it seems unlikely that this platform would get any kind of traction beyon his most fervent supporters. Twitter, Facebook and YouTube are great because people are on the platform for other reasons. Not so much for a dedicated site.
- ojbyrne 6y agoScotland says he can’t: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/05/world/europe/trump-scotland-golf-course.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/05/world/europe/trump-scotla...
- TT3351 6y agoHe can't afford that financially
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y agoWell, Trump might not. But it would be an EXCELLENT grifting opportunity. He personally pulled in hundreds of millions of dollars with "Stop The Steal" donations. No way he can't pull the same thing out of office and make money of off people.
- Quillbert182 6y agoAs much as I dislike Parler, I very much so hope that ISPs don't ban it. Imagine if ISPs get to block whatever website they deem dangerous. That cannot have a good ending.
- rcpt 6y agoSomehow ISPs are going to use this as an argument against https etc.
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- bzbarsky 6y agoThis might be an interesting argument for municipal broadband which occurred to me last night: in that situation the ISP is in fact bound by the First Amendment, which limits its ability to do that sort of thing quite a bit...
- aluminum96 6y agoI think we should worry less about those users who are already radicalized, and more about those who would have been if Parler remained.
- sjg007 6y agoWait for the major DNS servers to delist them too.