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> “[W]e cannot provide services to a customer that is unable to effectively identify and remove content that encourages or incites violence against others,” Th

> “[W]e cannot provide services to a customer that is unable to effectively identify and remove content that encourages or incites violence against others,” This seems to be the standard

killjoywashere 6y ago
They probably owe a modifier to violence. I mean, plenty of government agencies involved in national security use AWS.
- adolph 6y ago
  Probably have a different TOS by customer type and governing legal auth. It’d be interesting to boil away the broiler plate and see the differences between them.
- yew 6y ago
  Government agencies are, if not precisely incapable of sedition, at least going to have trouble engaging in it.
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dcolkitt 6y ago
Question: Would this mean that Signal's backend would be prohibited from running on AWS? After all, it's almost assuredly the case that at least some Signal users are actively plotting violence. Yet end-to-end encryption by definition makes it impossible for Signal to identify that content.
- lostcolony 6y ago
  "Almost assuredly" is different than "obvious and blatantly and not being moderated". Obviously. You're making the same argument the government has made against encryption. Moderating a private conversation is obviously different than moderating a public one.
  - amluto 6y ago
    Signal is essentially useless as a platform to recruit people for anything, legal or otherwise.
    - shard972 6y ago
      Bullshit, You have 0 proof of these statements
  - CryptoGhost 6y ago
    But then you have cases where people leak private group chats (either from bad opsec or insider jobs) and people face the ban hammer.
- root_axis 6y ago
  Signal isn't a social media platform it has no need for moderatation.
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- NoSorryCannot 6y ago
  A signal conversation is not a public platform. It's the difference between sending a letter and sending a newsletter.
nostromo 6y ago
Signal will be dead soon enough then too.
- tt433 6y ago
  I think the difference is signal is private, no? Parler people are just airing racist and threatening shit out in the open. I would personally rather it take place in such private online places instead of in front of everyone.
  - corty 6y ago
    Rhethoric in Germany is already pointing at various WhatsApp and Telegram groups filled with people discussing unsavory topics. Protocols have been published and the groups are not really that private anymore as soon as you no longer know and trust everyone in them. So as soon as the first Signal groups with Nazi policemen shows up, there will be pressure to somehow get rid of those groups...
    - tt433 6y ago
      So what you're saying is you want to have Nazi policemen? I don't understand what your concern is, because they would probably be incapable of performing their duties fairly
      - corty 6y ago
        No concern, I just wanted to provide an example for what is currently happening in Whatsapp and Telegram (private groups where illegal content got posted, became known and caused the state to try to get rid of those groups and punish members).
        tt433 6y ago
        I don't understand why people are resorting to apps like signal for privacy, personally. Edit: as in there are better alternatives
chasd00 6y ago
that's every social media site of non-trivial size. they're opening pandora's box here. does the footage of killings during the Syrian civil war on youtube qualify? shouldn't photos of hanging homosexuals from cranes get you deplatformed? no? why not?
- akira2501 6y ago
  > that's every social media site of non-trivial size. Facebook missed the fact their platform was being used to coordinate a genocide in Myanmar.
  - wu_tang_chris 6y ago
    They didn’t miss it, they don’t care. AWS doesn’t care about incitement to violence either, which I have never seen on Parler FWIW despite being a heavy user. It’s political grandstanding, and a lame appeal to their woke engineers to keep the dollars flowing in.
    - vsssk 6y ago
      There are incitements to violence presented in the buzzfeed news article that is the root of this thread. > We need to start systematically assassinating #liberal leaders, liberal activists, #blm leaders
- azernik 6y ago
  Most of that stuff eventually got taken down from YouTube. Parler isn't even trying.
ppod 6y ago
"No justice no peace"
- systemvoltage 6y ago
  Violence has no place in any society for any cause. But I think the spirit of BLM slogan is "No justice no peace. We're not going to remain quiet. We're going to cause some trouble. We're going to create some noise." or as John Lewis said "Good trouble". BLM should change it to "Good trouble", it removes any misconceptions.
  - slcjordan 6y ago
    Signed, Lorenzo Anderson
mrweasel 6y ago
Which basically means that neither Facebook, nor Twitter, could be hosted on AWS. Amazon, Apple, Google and other companies are free to manage their platform by their own rules, in my opinion. I just want the rules to perfectly clear and enforced fairly. So that when Facebook fails to moderate their platform according to Googles rule, their app is kicked out of the Play store as well.

> “[W]e cannot provide services to a customer that is unable to effectively identify and remove content that encourages or incites violence against others,” This seems to be the standard

killjoywashere 6y ago

They probably owe a modifier to violence. I mean, plenty of government agencies involved in national security use AWS.

adolph 6y ago
Probably have a different TOS by customer type and governing legal auth. It’d be interesting to boil away the broiler plate and see the differences between them.
yew 6y ago
Government agencies are, if not precisely incapable of sedition, at least going to have trouble engaging in it.

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dcolkitt 6y ago

Question: Would this mean that Signal's backend would be prohibited from running on AWS? After all, it's almost assuredly the case that at least some Signal users are actively plotting violence. Yet end-to-end encryption by definition makes it impossible for Signal to identify that content.

lostcolony 6y ago
"Almost assuredly" is different than "obvious and blatantly and not being moderated". Obviously. You're making the same argument the government has made against encryption. Moderating a private conversation is obviously different than moderating a public one.
- amluto 6y ago
  Signal is essentially useless as a platform to recruit people for anything, legal or otherwise.
  - shard972 6y ago
    Bullshit, You have 0 proof of these statements
- CryptoGhost 6y ago
  But then you have cases where people leak private group chats (either from bad opsec or insider jobs) and people face the ban hammer.
root_axis 6y ago
Signal isn't a social media platform it has no need for moderatation.
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NoSorryCannot 6y ago
A signal conversation is not a public platform. It's the difference between sending a letter and sending a newsletter.

nostromo 6y ago

Signal will be dead soon enough then too.

tt433 6y ago
I think the difference is signal is private, no? Parler people are just airing racist and threatening shit out in the open. I would personally rather it take place in such private online places instead of in front of everyone.
- corty 6y ago
  Rhethoric in Germany is already pointing at various WhatsApp and Telegram groups filled with people discussing unsavory topics. Protocols have been published and the groups are not really that private anymore as soon as you no longer know and trust everyone in them. So as soon as the first Signal groups with Nazi policemen shows up, there will be pressure to somehow get rid of those groups...
  - tt433 6y ago
    So what you're saying is you want to have Nazi policemen? I don't understand what your concern is, because they would probably be incapable of performing their duties fairly
    - corty 6y ago
      No concern, I just wanted to provide an example for what is currently happening in Whatsapp and Telegram (private groups where illegal content got posted, became known and caused the state to try to get rid of those groups and punish members).
      - tt433 6y ago
        I don't understand why people are resorting to apps like signal for privacy, personally. Edit: as in there are better alternatives

chasd00 6y ago

that's every social media site of non-trivial size. they're opening pandora's box here. does the footage of killings during the Syrian civil war on youtube qualify? shouldn't photos of hanging homosexuals from cranes get you deplatformed? no? why not?

akira2501 6y ago
> that's every social media site of non-trivial size. Facebook missed the fact their platform was being used to coordinate a genocide in Myanmar.
- wu_tang_chris 6y ago
  They didn’t miss it, they don’t care. AWS doesn’t care about incitement to violence either, which I have never seen on Parler FWIW despite being a heavy user. It’s political grandstanding, and a lame appeal to their woke engineers to keep the dollars flowing in.
  - vsssk 6y ago
    There are incitements to violence presented in the buzzfeed news article that is the root of this thread. > We need to start systematically assassinating #liberal leaders, liberal activists, #blm leaders
azernik 6y ago
Most of that stuff eventually got taken down from YouTube. Parler isn't even trying.

ppod 6y ago

"No justice no peace"

systemvoltage 6y ago
Violence has no place in any society for any cause. But I think the spirit of BLM slogan is "No justice no peace. We're not going to remain quiet. We're going to cause some trouble. We're going to create some noise." or as John Lewis said "Good trouble". BLM should change it to "Good trouble", it removes any misconceptions.
- slcjordan 6y ago
  Signed, Lorenzo Anderson

mrweasel 6y ago

Which basically means that neither Facebook, nor Twitter, could be hosted on AWS. Amazon, Apple, Google and other companies are free to manage their platform by their own rules, in my opinion. I just want the rules to perfectly clear and enforced fairly. So that when Facebook fails to moderate their platform according to Googles rule, their app is kicked out of the Play store as well.