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We Will Soon Have Sentient Sex Robots. Will They Be Able to Consent?
- p1esk 6y agogpt3?
- jelliclesfarm 6y agoI was more intrigued by this part: [..] A California-based cult group UNICULT started a fundraiser for a sex robot brothel that allows customers to only have intercourse with robots after they’d used a relevant app to converse with them enough. The robots would always consent to sex after the points were earned, so the consent model in question only put forth an illusion of choice. Another sex-robot creator named Sergi Santos made Samantha, a sex-robot who can say “no” and activate “dummy mode,” becoming lifeless if she is touched aggressively, bored, or tired. The problem here is that this doesn’t stop the person who owns the robot from raping the robot. This is why philosopher Robert Sparrow argues against designing robots with the ability to consent, as it allows the fulfilment of a rape fantasy if consent is denied. In the International Journal of Social Robotics, Sparrow writes, “Even when the intention is not to facilitate rape, the design of robots that can explicitly refuse consent is problematic due to the likelihood that some users will experiment with raping them.” He explains, “[I]t will not be possible to rape robots unless the designers of robots make certain design choices.”[..] It seems like somewhere along the line, the creators of sex robots have lost the plot. The goal is to have sex that money can buy. Or something like that. What am I missing?
- p1esk 6y agoIt's not clear to me if letting people "rape" robots would lead to increase or decrease in human rape (which would be the only thing that matters in this discussion).
- jelliclesfarm 6y agoThat would be a different tangent and will beg the question, ‘is rape natural?’ Sociobiological theories may suggest that it is so and we have seen instances of rape amongst humans(Altho it also happens in the animal kingdom and possibly birds...I don’t think there is even a notion of ‘consent’ there): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociobiological_theories_of_rape https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociobiological_theories_of_... This is not an easy read but worth a glance : https://cyber.harvard.edu/vaw00/theories_of_rape.html https://cyber.harvard.edu/vaw00/theories_of_rape.html And https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1037/1089-2680.12.1.86 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1037/1089-2680.12.1.86
- bra-ket 6y agonot gonna happen as long as 'deep learning' is still in fashion. That fake "AI", with its gigantic dumb models, is too artificially stupid to know what's it's doing. Sentience is going to be perpetually '5 years away' as long as we keep yak shaving our gradient descents. But I for one welcome our attractive overlords when the time is ripe.
- mcswell 6y agoThey shouldn't put "sentient" and "soon" in the same sentence.
- BugsJustFindMe 6y ago> sentient robots within a matter of decades There's no reason to believe this. We've made zero progress on sentient machines in the preceding decades. Hell, we've made zero progress on knowing what sentience even means.
- p1esk 6y agoIf you can't tell if something is sentient or not after an extensive interaction with it, then for all intents and purposes it's sentient.
- Sigmoid 6y agoExcept it's not.
- p1esk 6y agoHow would you know?
- Sigmoid 6y agoIf it's based on current ML it's not. Otherwise you can't claim it is sentient just because it can process information. How do you know if your photocopier isnt sentient?
- SpaceLawnmower 6y agoYeah, I think the original statement wasn't worded exactly right. You can't check everything for a brain. There's a paper called "Welcoming Robots into the Moral Circle: A Defence of Ethical Behaviourism", which I think preserves the general idea of their comment. It says that if an AI is roughly performatively equivalent to other entities with significant moral status, then they deserve the same moral status by default. So if a robot walks up to me and seems to be exhibiting human like thoughts or emotions, it wouldn't be permissible to hit it for no reason, since it wouldn't be permissible to hit a human for no reason. If you don't know whether it is sentient, but it has the same behaviors as a sentient being, then that's enough reason to treat it as if it were sentient regardless of what's going on under the hood.
- davidkuhta 6y ago"These violent delights have violent ends"
- jelliclesfarm 6y agofor whatever reason, I thought it was from Altered Carbon..not Westworld. glad i googled to check. the piece reminded me of altered carbon, season 1.
- Zanni 6y agoWell, Westworld via Romeo and Juliet. It's from Friar Laurence's speech to Romeo, just before he marries Juliet, warning him against excess passion.
- villgax 6y agoPretty stupid to think about sentience let alone consent with robots. This would be a Westworld situation which should be encouraged for people who would like to use/prefer robots
- asiando 6y agoThe title reads like satire. I don't want to read the rest but I will just assume it's The Onion.
- perfmode 6y agowhat is sentience?
- h2odragon 6y agoSex robots will never compete with a warm, willing goat. City folk will be adopting pet plumbing more widely soon enough, rendering the "house training" issue moot. (Its possible, but they can hold it for minutes at most.)
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- kalium-xyz 6y agoWhy would anyone want a sentient sex robot when you could have a regular sex robot? There is zero market for this.
- jelliclesfarm 6y agoThe article is a fluff piece but the idea it touches upon needs serious consideration. We underestimate AI at our peril. Consciousness evolves. Can ‘code’ be consciousness?
- mackrevinack 6y agoyea if it's sentient it might just take one look at you when you turn it on and walk out the door. or if might tell you that its not in the mood for sex. or complain that "we never do anything interesting". "when are you going to introduce me to your friends?"