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If I ran was in charge of a government after watching them all ban Trump's ability to communicate at the same time, I too would think about banning them to prot

If I ran was in charge of a government after watching them all ban Trump's ability to communicate at the same time, I too would think about banning them to protect myself.

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andrewzah 6y ago
Or maybe you could do some introspection and think about what would have to lead up to you being banned? Every politician on twitter has been fine except for 1 particular individual. Nevermind that 1 individual -chose- to use twitter as their primary base of operations, instead of the usual channels.
- BlueTemplar 6y ago
  Weren't others banned at the same time as Trump?
  - stevehawk 6y ago
    twitter did start banning some left extremists... i had never heard of a lot of them so I'd love to hear from someone educated on it if these other bans were just to appear bipartisan or actually meaningful
- ivnubinas 6y ago
  > Or maybe you could do some introspection and think about what would have to lead up to you being banned? Having the wrong party affiliation?
- mimikatz 6y ago
  Why would you as a leader of the country leave it up to chance? What if your country was in conflict with America whose side do you think Google and Apple would side with?
  - jimkleiber 6y ago
    I appreciate this point and it makes me think more and more about how we try to govern global businesses with national governments and how I wonder if we'll ever get a more powerful global body to balance the power of global organizations.
    - im3w1l 6y ago
      We will, and it will be a bad thing. Nowhere to run when it eventually goes corrupt and evil. Hopefully we will be space-faring before that.
      - jimkleiber 6y ago
        I hear that point and agree it could bring fear, especially as it gets very powerful. What I wonder is, what shall we do as global organizations get stronger and stronger and play national governments against each other, or less nefariously, try to abide by 200+ national laws at the same time, which most certainly conflict with each other?
  - mc32 6y ago
    Exactly this. If these media have favorites and push a particular agenda that isn’t quite aligned with these corps’s agenda then it would make sense for them, out of their own interest, to pre-emptively ban these orgs who now have proven to not be neutral parties.
- im3w1l 6y ago
  Africa is Africa, they always do coups and civil wars and shady shit. African leaders know that intervention is just a question of time.
- qwerty456127 6y ago
  > Nevermind that 1 individual -chose- to use twitter as their primary base of operations, instead of the usual channels. Isn't this perfectly reasonable to switch to the modern Internet channels as time comes? Or should all the presidents keep transmitting in Morse code over cable telegraphs?
  - andrewzah 6y ago
    No, they use official government channels like White House press conferences and the like. Please don’t make bad faith arguments as if I really were suggesting Morse code instead of Twitter.
    - qwerty456127 6y ago
      Why Twitter or something like that should not replace White House press conferences like White House press conferences (mostly seen on TV, right?) have replaced cable telegraph or whatever was used before TVs?
- golemiprague 6y ago
  That's exactly the problem, that every politician is fine except Trump. There are much worst people around the world but they are fine because the American tech companies view everything from their American lens. Also, why should someone make introspection because some SV guy decided to block Trump, what about all the people who support trump, there are millions of them, what makes some head of corporate opinion in a particular social bubble so much more valuable than other millions of people? Try to say the same thing about Shi or Putin decisions, see how stupid and condescending it sounds
madhadron 6y ago
Trump has a press office and a whole press corps that shows up to listen to what he might want to say to them daily.
- tathougies 6y ago
  And then pick and choose sound bites to report to form a narrative.
  - tobylane 6y ago
    That could be analysed. What’s the average length of clip of Trump/WH talking on the various news networks and total per hour on the subject. It’s measuring the quantitative part.
    - tathougies 6y ago
      Honestly, I stopped believing the media reporting of Trump once I listened to the full audio of his speech about the awful events in Charlottesville. Literally immediately after the 'both sides' soundbite he goes on to explicitly denounce nazis, and yet the media censored that, to make it appear as if he were defending them. It's so blatant, it's insane. Like I've said before around here, in 2016, I couldn't stand the man, but the way the media treats him, I find myself rooting for him. Every problem about Trump is their own creation.
- erentz 6y ago
  Right. A serious percentage of people think the only way the president can communicate is via Twitter and there’s been this right wing persecution complex building for a few years now that they believe they are constantly being censored. Despite the fact that right wing news and pundits get a lot more shares on social media. It’s all part of the weird twisted mass delusion that we find ourselves dealing with.
  - YarickR2 6y ago
    Any numbers to support the "lot more shares for right wing media" claim ?
tedunangst 6y ago
Unclear how banning the App Store prevents Twitter from banning you.
- mimikatz 6y ago
  You go full China and ban those as well.
  - roenxi 6y ago
    At the time of writing people were downvoting you, but I'd say to them that this is a legitimate strategy. China has succeeded in building their own internet economy, unlike the EU or Africa. A "ban them all" strategy is not unthinkable.
    - imtringued 6y ago
      There is no African union that is big enough to justify an African only app store. The primary goal behind the store ban is to ban installation of VPNs.
chr1 6y ago
Russia just recently introduced laws that would allow to fine Youtube and social networks if they hinder propagation of important information, so according to them not only banning their propagandists, but even removing them from suggestion lists is prohibited by law. Of course they probably don't have means to enforce this law, but it's an interesting strategy.
- vbezhenar 6y ago
  Banning Youtube is a means to enforce this law. And Russia can ban anything (on their territory).
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  Of course they can enforce it. They fine them if they not do so, and if they not be willing to pay the fine, then they are blocked. Russia will certainly be a large enough market that they will consider it a financial loss large enough that they might implement this for Russia's version.
  - chr1 6y ago
    Russia already have tried to ban Telegram, but due to help from AWS it turned out that the whole internet needs to be banned, so eventually they gave up. Not saying that Youtube will choose the confrontation the way Telegram did, but it doesn't depend on Russian government alone.
    - imtringued 6y ago
      Russia can seize income from Youtube ads.
imtringued 6y ago
Yeah that's how you run a successful government. Focus on eliminating enemies and threats. Stay in power at all costs. If more people were willing to do the right thing and sacrifice their political career the world would be a better planet.

If I ran was in charge of a government after watching them all ban Trump's ability to communicate at the same time, I too would think about banning them to protect myself.

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andrewzah 6y ago

Or maybe you could do some introspection and think about what would have to lead up to you being banned? Every politician on twitter has been fine except for 1 particular individual. Nevermind that 1 individual -chose- to use twitter as their primary base of operations, instead of the usual channels.

BlueTemplar 6y ago
Weren't others banned at the same time as Trump?
- stevehawk 6y ago
  twitter did start banning some left extremists... i had never heard of a lot of them so I'd love to hear from someone educated on it if these other bans were just to appear bipartisan or actually meaningful
ivnubinas 6y ago
> Or maybe you could do some introspection and think about what would have to lead up to you being banned? Having the wrong party affiliation?
mimikatz 6y ago
Why would you as a leader of the country leave it up to chance? What if your country was in conflict with America whose side do you think Google and Apple would side with?
- jimkleiber 6y ago
  I appreciate this point and it makes me think more and more about how we try to govern global businesses with national governments and how I wonder if we'll ever get a more powerful global body to balance the power of global organizations.
  - im3w1l 6y ago
    We will, and it will be a bad thing. Nowhere to run when it eventually goes corrupt and evil. Hopefully we will be space-faring before that.
    - jimkleiber 6y ago
      I hear that point and agree it could bring fear, especially as it gets very powerful. What I wonder is, what shall we do as global organizations get stronger and stronger and play national governments against each other, or less nefariously, try to abide by 200+ national laws at the same time, which most certainly conflict with each other?
- mc32 6y ago
  Exactly this. If these media have favorites and push a particular agenda that isn’t quite aligned with these corps’s agenda then it would make sense for them, out of their own interest, to pre-emptively ban these orgs who now have proven to not be neutral parties.
im3w1l 6y ago
Africa is Africa, they always do coups and civil wars and shady shit. African leaders know that intervention is just a question of time.
qwerty456127 6y ago
> Nevermind that 1 individual -chose- to use twitter as their primary base of operations, instead of the usual channels. Isn't this perfectly reasonable to switch to the modern Internet channels as time comes? Or should all the presidents keep transmitting in Morse code over cable telegraphs?
- andrewzah 6y ago
  No, they use official government channels like White House press conferences and the like. Please don’t make bad faith arguments as if I really were suggesting Morse code instead of Twitter.
  - qwerty456127 6y ago
    Why Twitter or something like that should not replace White House press conferences like White House press conferences (mostly seen on TV, right?) have replaced cable telegraph or whatever was used before TVs?
golemiprague 6y ago
That's exactly the problem, that every politician is fine except Trump. There are much worst people around the world but they are fine because the American tech companies view everything from their American lens. Also, why should someone make introspection because some SV guy decided to block Trump, what about all the people who support trump, there are millions of them, what makes some head of corporate opinion in a particular social bubble so much more valuable than other millions of people? Try to say the same thing about Shi or Putin decisions, see how stupid and condescending it sounds

madhadron 6y ago

Trump has a press office and a whole press corps that shows up to listen to what he might want to say to them daily.

tathougies 6y ago
And then pick and choose sound bites to report to form a narrative.
- tobylane 6y ago
  That could be analysed. What’s the average length of clip of Trump/WH talking on the various news networks and total per hour on the subject. It’s measuring the quantitative part.
  - tathougies 6y ago
    Honestly, I stopped believing the media reporting of Trump once I listened to the full audio of his speech about the awful events in Charlottesville. Literally immediately after the 'both sides' soundbite he goes on to explicitly denounce nazis, and yet the media censored that, to make it appear as if he were defending them. It's so blatant, it's insane. Like I've said before around here, in 2016, I couldn't stand the man, but the way the media treats him, I find myself rooting for him. Every problem about Trump is their own creation.
erentz 6y ago
Right. A serious percentage of people think the only way the president can communicate is via Twitter and there’s been this right wing persecution complex building for a few years now that they believe they are constantly being censored. Despite the fact that right wing news and pundits get a lot more shares on social media. It’s all part of the weird twisted mass delusion that we find ourselves dealing with.
- YarickR2 6y ago
  Any numbers to support the "lot more shares for right wing media" claim ?

tedunangst 6y ago

Unclear how banning the App Store prevents Twitter from banning you.

mimikatz 6y ago
You go full China and ban those as well.
- roenxi 6y ago
  At the time of writing people were downvoting you, but I'd say to them that this is a legitimate strategy. China has succeeded in building their own internet economy, unlike the EU or Africa. A "ban them all" strategy is not unthinkable.
  - imtringued 6y ago
    There is no African union that is big enough to justify an African only app store. The primary goal behind the store ban is to ban installation of VPNs.

chr1 6y ago

Russia just recently introduced laws that would allow to fine Youtube and social networks if they hinder propagation of important information, so according to them not only banning their propagandists, but even removing them from suggestion lists is prohibited by law. Of course they probably don't have means to enforce this law, but it's an interesting strategy.

vbezhenar 6y ago
Banning Youtube is a means to enforce this law. And Russia can ban anything (on their territory).
Blikkentrekker 6y ago
Of course they can enforce it. They fine them if they not do so, and if they not be willing to pay the fine, then they are blocked. Russia will certainly be a large enough market that they will consider it a financial loss large enough that they might implement this for Russia's version.
- chr1 6y ago
  Russia already have tried to ban Telegram, but due to help from AWS it turned out that the whole internet needs to be banned, so eventually they gave up. Not saying that Youtube will choose the confrontation the way Telegram did, but it doesn't depend on Russian government alone.
  - imtringued 6y ago
    Russia can seize income from Youtube ads.

imtringued 6y ago

Yeah that's how you run a successful government. Focus on eliminating enemies and threats. Stay in power at all costs. If more people were willing to do the right thing and sacrifice their political career the world would be a better planet.