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Why would a Trump supporter want to “hang Mike Pence” when he has been loyal to him for 4 years and just did his constitutional duty on the 6th ? I am lost for

by dmode 6y ago

Why would a Trump supporter want to “hang Mike Pence” when he has been loyal to him for 4 years and just did his constitutional duty on the 6th ? I am lost for words

CPLX 6y ago
Worth noting that sudden executions of the number two in command is a pretty common occurrence in authoritarian government situations.
macintux 6y ago
One man's "just did his constitutional duty" is another man's "completed a stolen, fraudulent election". I'm in the first camp, but the fact that an entire news/social media ecosystem is promoting the latter interpretation is a problem I have no idea how to solve.
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AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
It's the same old extremist playbook that's been in operation in American politics since at least 2001. You're either with us or against us, no room for debate, our way or the highway, literal saint or literal demon. Then turn around and claim that your opponents don't want to hear you out or compromise, because to you compromise means getting everything you want.
- aaronbrethorst 6y ago
  It’s older than that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson
ansible 6y ago
Welcome to identity politics! There is "us", and there is "them". If you are not a part of "us" then you are an enemy. Some of the most dangerous enemies are people who previously appeared to be part of "us", but have now betrayed our cause.
nevi-me 6y ago
The extreme supporters are some of the people believing that the election was rigged, despite the inability to provide information that can convince an unbiased court. If we extrapolate on this, can't we conclude/believe that some people who feel the system is betraying them, would see Mike Pence as conspiring with those stealing the elections? Do some of those people value "constitutional duty" right now? If they did, they wouldn't have stormed the Capitol. It's hard to understand people when there's a certain amount of conspiracy theories influencing their emotions. It's unfortunately one of the problems with politics. A bunch of people who make laws that mostly don't get to apply to them, get to say what they want, with little or no accountability.
jimbokun 6y ago
Trump convinced them Pence had the power to unilaterally overthrow the election and make Trump President for a second term, so they are upset with Pence for not doing that.
pjc50 6y ago
> just did his constitutional duty on the 6th That's why. They've been told the election has been stolen and (the classic cult move) that anyone who disagrees with that is a traitor out to get them. They're Trump supporters. Not broad Republican supporters. It's a personal loyalty cult.

by dmode 6y ago

Why would a Trump supporter want to “hang Mike Pence” when he has been loyal to him for 4 years and just did his constitutional duty on the 6th ? I am lost for words

CPLX 6y ago

Worth noting that sudden executions of the number two in command is a pretty common occurrence in authoritarian government situations.

macintux 6y ago

One man's "just did his constitutional duty" is another man's "completed a stolen, fraudulent election". I'm in the first camp, but the fact that an entire news/social media ecosystem is promoting the latter interpretation is a problem I have no idea how to solve.

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AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

It's the same old extremist playbook that's been in operation in American politics since at least 2001. You're either with us or against us, no room for debate, our way or the highway, literal saint or literal demon. Then turn around and claim that your opponents don't want to hear you out or compromise, because to you compromise means getting everything you want.

aaronbrethorst 6y ago
It’s older than that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson

ansible 6y ago

Welcome to identity politics! There is "us", and there is "them". If you are not a part of "us" then you are an enemy. Some of the most dangerous enemies are people who previously appeared to be part of "us", but have now betrayed our cause.

nevi-me 6y ago

The extreme supporters are some of the people believing that the election was rigged, despite the inability to provide information that can convince an unbiased court. If we extrapolate on this, can't we conclude/believe that some people who feel the system is betraying them, would see Mike Pence as conspiring with those stealing the elections? Do some of those people value "constitutional duty" right now? If they did, they wouldn't have stormed the Capitol. It's hard to understand people when there's a certain amount of conspiracy theories influencing their emotions. It's unfortunately one of the problems with politics. A bunch of people who make laws that mostly don't get to apply to them, get to say what they want, with little or no accountability.

jimbokun 6y ago

Trump convinced them Pence had the power to unilaterally overthrow the election and make Trump President for a second term, so they are upset with Pence for not doing that.

pjc50 6y ago

> just did his constitutional duty on the 6th That's why. They've been told the election has been stolen and (the classic cult move) that anyone who disagrees with that is a traitor out to get them. They're Trump supporters. Not broad Republican supporters. It's a personal loyalty cult.