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An illegal copy of a book is not a stolen good, since it has not been taken away.. In most countries I'd expect the buying of the illegal copy of the book itsel

by phaylon 15y ago

An illegal copy of a book is not a stolen good, since it has not been taken away.. In most countries I'd expect the buying of the illegal copy of the book itself not to be criminal (and certainly not leading to home raids), but the distribution the bookseller did, since he did not have the license to do that. On the other side, I would expect that many countries have laws that would prohibit a bookseller from selling you a hard-copy but writing in the terms of service that they're free to enter your home to retrieve it for reasons they decide on, since it'd be a very surprising clause. Edit: s/reading/leading/

sliverstorm 15y ago
In most countries I'd expect the buying of the illegal copy of the book itself not to be criminal Why? If you make it legal to buy pirated works, and allow the purchaser to keep the purchased copy, you remove all burden from the consumer to validate the authenticity of the goods they are purchasing. A consumer should not be so vulnerable as to be terrified of purchasing any book, but they should not be immune, especially if they purchased the illegitimate copy knowing it was illegitimate.
- phaylon 15y ago
  If there are laws against buying of goods you know are stolen, then of course you are correct. However, if that's not in place, then the buyer didn't violate any laws (since he didn't break the copyright) or contracts. To circle back to the original point, wouldn't it be kind of outrageous if a police team were allowed to storm your home and violate your right to privacy in search for an illegal copy of 1984?
  - sliverstorm 15y ago
    In my opinion, not really, not if they have reasonable suspicion. I mean, it'd be a complete waste of their time and yours due to the low value of the object in question, but I don't know that low value should mean they shouldn't be able to. That is, of course, just my opinion. I do not claim that reflects local laws.
  - pbhjpbhj 15y ago
    >wouldn't it be kind of outrageous if a police team were allowed to storm your home and violate your right to privacy in search for an illegal copy of 1984? No more outrageous than if they were taking a copy of a DVD that you'd acquired that was produced by copyright infringement. I think the police (in my country) do have power to retrieve goods on order of the court because you've committed a tort, contributory copyright infringement. If you were aware that you were supporting an act of infringement by paying for the goods produced by that act then I'd expect you could also be sued successfully. The economics don't work well for the company suing though so this is an unlikely reality.

by phaylon 15y ago

sliverstorm 15y ago

In most countries I'd expect the buying of the illegal copy of the book itself not to be criminal Why? If you make it legal to buy pirated works, and allow the purchaser to keep the purchased copy, you remove all burden from the consumer to validate the authenticity of the goods they are purchasing. A consumer should not be so vulnerable as to be terrified of purchasing any book, but they should not be immune, especially if they purchased the illegitimate copy knowing it was illegitimate.

phaylon 15y ago
If there are laws against buying of goods you know are stolen, then of course you are correct. However, if that's not in place, then the buyer didn't violate any laws (since he didn't break the copyright) or contracts. To circle back to the original point, wouldn't it be kind of outrageous if a police team were allowed to storm your home and violate your right to privacy in search for an illegal copy of 1984?
- sliverstorm 15y ago
  In my opinion, not really, not if they have reasonable suspicion. I mean, it'd be a complete waste of their time and yours due to the low value of the object in question, but I don't know that low value should mean they shouldn't be able to. That is, of course, just my opinion. I do not claim that reflects local laws.
- pbhjpbhj 15y ago
  >wouldn't it be kind of outrageous if a police team were allowed to storm your home and violate your right to privacy in search for an illegal copy of 1984? No more outrageous than if they were taking a copy of a DVD that you'd acquired that was produced by copyright infringement. I think the police (in my country) do have power to retrieve goods on order of the court because you've committed a tort, contributory copyright infringement. If you were aware that you were supporting an act of infringement by paying for the goods produced by that act then I'd expect you could also be sued successfully. The economics don't work well for the company suing though so this is an unlikely reality.