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Sriwijaya Air flight SJ182, a Boeing 737, has disappeared from radar
- arnon 6y ago26 year old 737-500. Weather is pretty bad in the area right now.
- raverbashing 6y agoNot a 737 Max, just to be clear
- arnon 6y agoIt's also not a DC-10, while we're making clarifications
- olliej 6y agocontextually the 737 vs 737-max distinction is important. The 737 vs DC-10 distinction is not :D
- arnon 6y ago"Ubuntu 20.04 caused outage" - "It's worth mentioning this isn't Ubuntu 16.04" Feels pointless to me.
- totalZero 6y agoFair point, but consider this: When I first saw this story on Bloomberg, I opened the article searching for the variant of 737 aircraft involved. Given the accident history of the 737 MAX, it's important for people to understand that this aircraft does not tie in to the MAX saga. The fact that this is not a MAX aircraft is relevant both to travelers and also to BA stockholders.
- arnon 6y agoUnderstood, and as I mentioned, it was a 737-500 that is 26 years old.
- sokoloff 6y agoThe difference is not nearly everyone knows the series number of the Max (thus doesn’t get the full signal you intended from saying it was a -500). Precisely the lightly informed people whom you were trying to help are the ones most prone to this error. It’s more like saying “this article involves Ubuntu 16.04” when “Ubuntu Focal Fossa” has been all over the news for 18 months.
- arnon 6y agoAlright. Point taken.
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- tareqak 6y agoIt might be worth adding that to the post title somehow e.g. 737 (not Max).
- postingawayonhn 6y agoThe weather looks pretty calm in the pictures of the debris.
- rurban 6y agoIt was only raining. No storm or such.
- cpncrunch 6y agoMETARs at the time from avherald: WIII 090800Z 28008KT 4000 -RA BKN016 OVC018 26/24 Q1006 NOSIG= WIII 090730Z 30006KT 5000 -RA FEW017CB OVC018 25/24 Q1006 NOSIG= So, light rain and light winds, 4km vis and broken at 1600ft. Very benign conditions for any plane, never mind a well maintained 737.
- Erlich_Bachman 6y agoA well-maintained airplane can work for many more years than this. They are not like cars. All the important functional parts are being replaced regularly and the structure of the frame is checked and repaired if needed.
- dopamean 6y agoA car could work this way too.
- wiz21c 6y agoGiven the little environmental issues we have these days, a car must work this way.
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- hedora 6y agoI was shocked when I saw that what percentage of car emissions are due to manufacturing. “Only” driving a car for something like 100,000 miles doubles the per-mile carbon emissions. (I can’t remember the exact number.). EV’s have more embodied carbon, so they’re removing less than half the emissions in that part of their life. This will drastically improve as the grid decarbonizes. However, we really should be focusing on swapping out the drive trains on 2000-2020’s most popular models.
- HPsquared 6y agoIn theory it could, the same principles and judgements are in play - it's just that the relative prices of keeping an old car vs. replacement are different to that of an airliner so the decision tends to be more towards replacing old cars. The equation is of course different for valuable collector's cars.
- notahacker 6y agoMore importantly, you are allowed to drive a car without aircraft-style inspection and part replacement regimes and periodic total rebuilds. If you weren't, few car accidents would occur due to poorly maintained vehicles, but fewer people would be able to afford to drive.
- ffpip 6y agoSriwijaya Air flight #SJ182 lost more than 10.000 feet of altitude in less than one minute, about 4 minutes after departure from Jakarta. https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1347850078644563969 https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1347850078644563969 https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pk-clc#26860e0e https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pk-clc#26860e0e
- K0balt 6y agoWow. that rate of descent, and so shortly after takeoff (no time/altutude for hypoxia, etc) points strongly to a major structural failure or at least a catastrophic failure of flight control systems. In that phase of flight, pressurization would be just starting to build, I wonder how many cycles that 26 year old airframe has on it? Also, is it known if there was anyone of major political or financial consequence on board? Getting to that altitude is also a common trigger for barometric switches.
- Reason077 6y agoSuicide by pilot is another possibility. It's certainly happened before (SilkAir 185, EgyptAir 990, Germanwings 9525, possibly Malaysian 370)
- w0utert 6y agoJudging from the flight path and altitude data that seems extremely unlikely, it looks like the plane just fell apart and came down like a brick in an instant.
- Reason077 6y agoI'm not sure that alone rules anything out. If we look at the flight profile of EgyptAir 990, for example, it dropped 15,000 feet in about 30 seconds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990#/media/File:Msr990-ntsb-f1.jpeg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990#/media/Fil...
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- damniatx 6y agoThey found the debris https://twitter.com/HZLABZ/status/1347859200135868418?s=19 https://twitter.com/HZLABZ/status/1347859200135868418?s=19
- kjakm 6y agoAnything to back this up? The account tweeting it seems unrelated to the people in the images and I can’t see a source.
- raihansaputra 6y agoThe video is making rounds. Seems like it's legit, the Basarnas (Indonesian National SAR) and KNKT (Indonesia's NTSB) is still confirming the findings.
- rurban 6y agoIf you read the proper news, ie avherald, you will read that two fisher boats were 5nm from the crash site. They heard two explosions, saw the parts falling down, went there, picked up the debris. One stayed there, in shallow water, easy to check the cause of the explisions, the other went 2hrs to report to police. A bomb is very unlikely, lots of better explanations. We'll see.
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- netsharc 6y agoNow that you wrote "bomb", my brain just chimed with the info that the Indonesian government banned an extremist Islamist group a week or 2 ago...
- peteretep 6y ago> A bomb is very unlikely Why?
- cjbprime 6y agoI expect you're overstating how unlikely it is: there are not that many better explanations for a plane suddenly falling out of the sky.
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- bdz 6y agohttp://avherald.com/h?article=4e18553c&opt=0 http://avherald.com/h?article=4e18553c&opt=0
- fblp 6y agoVery informative article, thank you ^ "The water is about 15 to 16 meters deep at the crash site“ Although this is tragic, the relatively shallow water will make this a faster cleanup and investigation compared to other recent crashes.
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- United857 6y agoMods can we change the link to this avherald page instead of a tweet which is just a headline?
- refurb 6y agoWow. Considering most airlines are operating at >20% of normal volume it’s amazing we’d see a crash right now.
- siva7 6y agoOperating at such a low volume introduces other problems similiar like surgeons doing too few procedures and therefore not gaining enough routine
- rdgthree 6y agoIs this just an assumption? It's an interesting thought, I'm curious if there's some sort of data to back it up.
- raihansaputra 6y agoI personally don't know about the not enough routine/repetition step, but the FAA did have a recommendation for pilots to reduce the use of autopilots due to similar reasoning. https://nbaa.org/aircraft-operations/safety/faa-recommends-pilots-spend-less-time-using-autopilot/ https://nbaa.org/aircraft-operations/safety/faa-recommends-p...
- sokoloff 6y agoThat is from 2013 (not saying it’s invalid advice, just that it’s not related to current flying schedules). Children of the Magenta Line is a great presentation on automation dependence and quite funny at moments. https://youtu.be/5ESJH1NLMLs https://youtu.be/5ESJH1NLMLs (The GPS flight plan track is standardized to be drawn in magenta.)
- FabHK 6y ago+1 for Children of the Magenta Line. Seminal work.
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- mysterydip 6y agoThe flight path shows a sharp right turn before the crash: https://twitter.com/omrockett/status/1347856795239292929?s=21 https://twitter.com/omrockett/status/1347856795239292929?s=2... based on the curve before that it doesn't seem part of the scheduled path. Possibly manul course change or part of losing control?
- Shorel 6y agoMaybe the right turbine had a malfunction.
- bluGill 6y agoSeems unlikely. All airplanes can take off with one engine failed, and pilots generally practice one engine failure situations often. Unless you are suggesting the pilots were poorly trained?
- cco 6y agoAn engine disintegrating and taking control surfaces with it is what I assume they meant.
- anshumankmr 6y agoNever flying a Boeing ever again.
- eloff 6y agoBecause Airbus never crashes? Or are you going to drive everywhere and accept the much higher risks that involves? Note this was not a 737 Max, it's unrelated to those crashes. That's a knee-jerk emotional reaction.
- sesuximo 6y agoWe cannot be sure it’s completely unrelated. We’ll know more soon enough
- anshumankmr 6y agoBoeing has been repeatedly undermining its engineers and has been finding way to cut costs, that has killed hundreds so far. They just settled in a court case a few days ago. And you wonder why I don't want to fly Boeing? Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EESYomdoeCs&ab_channel=BloombergQuicktake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EESYomdoeCs&ab_channel=Bloom... https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-reaches-2-5-billion-settlement-of-u-s-probe-into-737-max-crashes-11610054729 https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-reaches-2-5-billion-sett... And the cars are in my control. I can choose the best possible car I can afford, I can drive responsibly. I can use public transport whenever I can. Planes may be statistically safer, but when companies cut costs to undermine people's lives, they deserve to pay for it.
- netsharc 6y agoThis page says 16+ million flights in the USA occur yearly: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/by_the_numbers/ https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/by_the_numbers/ Sure, maybe it's pre-COVID info. Let's do a Fermi "how many piano tuners" and say subtracting the small private jets and Airbus, there are 5 million flights on Boeing hardware, in the USA alone. Let's say maybe 20 million worldwide (probably way too low a number). There were 20 million successful flights with Boeing hardware per year, year after year. 1 of them crashes, and you say "Never flying a Boeing again?". Anyway, why should I take some random Internet outburst seriously. How about I make a $1000 bet that you'll find yourself on a Boeing flight between now and Jan 1, 2026? Would you be willing to do that?
- dirtyid 6y agoAfter seeing images of passenger fleets grounded in storage outside during covid, Im personally reluctant to fly until air travel gets back to pre pandemic levels and all the maintenance kinks thoroughly addressed.
- dehrmann 6y agoI halfway agree, but storing planes in the desert for a while is a pretty standard thing, so we know how to do this, and it's not like we're bringing the entire fleet back over a month; it'll be more gradual.
- pierrefermat1 6y agoThis is plain stupid, do the maths and you'll realise the cab ride over to the airport gives you a higher chance of death than flights themselves. You can't just worry endless about low probability events
- notwhereyouare 6y agoDuring normal travel, I would agree. But planes are meant to be flown, not sit grounded like a large number did for 6+ months
- crubier 6y agoNot really. If my memory serves me right, Planes are much safer than cars in terms of fatalities per km, safer than car per hour, and on par with cars in terms of fatal accident per flight. Planes flights are faster and longer than car trips.
- nobrains 6y agoThe area around Indonesia is the new Bermuda Triangle (yes yes, while noting that there was nothing significant or statistically significant about the Bermuda Triangle)
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- gumby 6y agoBTW it's a 30-year-old airframe, not a recent 737-Max.