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They're not really different things, it's about suddenly banning/criminalizing behavior due to slightly unrelated behavior. Inciting a riot or storming the Cap

They're not really different things, it's about suddenly banning/criminalizing behavior due to slightly unrelated behavior. Inciting a riot or storming the Capitol has always been disallowed/illegal, but now it's used as an argument to enact laws/policies to punish unrelated actions/tweets. We're in a situation where stating that you're not attending Biden's inauguration is branded as "inciting violence", and way too few reasonable people are speaking out about it. The right screams bloody murder about it of course, but we don't listen to them any more. They don't listen to us lefties when we have reasonable things to say. We're quickly decending into a non-functioning society, and both sides are to blame.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
But private organizations banning people and government legislatures criminalizing activity are very different things, enough so that this concept of "banning/criminalizing" strikes me as meaningless. I just don't see the connection you're proposing.
- kristofferR 6y ago
  Only in concept, not in practice. People can be just as mistreated by monopolistic cooperations as they can be from the government.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I don't know what to say here other than, the concept is what's important. There's a huge conceptual gulf between us and I don't know how to bridge it.
Guvante 6y ago
> We're in a situation where stating that you're not attending Biden's inauguration is branded as "inciting violence" That wasn't what he got banned for at all.
- kristofferR 6y ago
  https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspensio... > On January 8, 2021, President Donald J. Trump tweeted: > “The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” > Shortly thereafter, the President tweeted: > “To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.” > We assessed the two Tweets referenced above under our Glorification of Violence policy > As such, our determination is that the two Tweets above are likely to inspire others to replicate the violent acts that took place on January 6, 2021
  - Guvante 6y ago
    Did you read past that sentence? They go into explicit detail as to why they made the call.
    - kristofferR 6y ago
      The argumentation is completely absurd though. They argue that his statement of "75 million American patriots" may refer to the hundreds of Capitol rioters and that his statement of him not attending the inauguration, which Biden supports btw, is a signal that it's a safe target to attack. It's almost impressive how they manage to read things from his two tweets that the tweets didn't include.
      - Guvante 6y ago
        I think just as taking him out of context is bad taking the context out of his statements is bad. He has been using rhetoric of the kind they have accuse him of for a long time now but is always careful to never directly call for violence. Doublespeak is part of his grifting strategy after all. You would need to see how the extreme groups reacted to those tweets. If they used similar verbiage to what Twitter says I think at this point holding Trump to that as proof of bad enough speaking is fine. Honestly the reality is his tweet history earned him the ban but pointing to one set of tweets is easier PR.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

But private organizations banning people and government legislatures criminalizing activity are very different things, enough so that this concept of "banning/criminalizing" strikes me as meaningless. I just don't see the connection you're proposing.

kristofferR 6y ago
Only in concept, not in practice. People can be just as mistreated by monopolistic cooperations as they can be from the government.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I don't know what to say here other than, the concept is what's important. There's a huge conceptual gulf between us and I don't know how to bridge it.

Guvante 6y ago

> We're in a situation where stating that you're not attending Biden's inauguration is branded as "inciting violence" That wasn't what he got banned for at all.

kristofferR 6y ago
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspensio... > On January 8, 2021, President Donald J. Trump tweeted: > “The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” > Shortly thereafter, the President tweeted: > “To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.” > We assessed the two Tweets referenced above under our Glorification of Violence policy > As such, our determination is that the two Tweets above are likely to inspire others to replicate the violent acts that took place on January 6, 2021
- Guvante 6y ago
  Did you read past that sentence? They go into explicit detail as to why they made the call.
  - kristofferR 6y ago
    The argumentation is completely absurd though. They argue that his statement of "75 million American patriots" may refer to the hundreds of Capitol rioters and that his statement of him not attending the inauguration, which Biden supports btw, is a signal that it's a safe target to attack. It's almost impressive how they manage to read things from his two tweets that the tweets didn't include.
    - Guvante 6y ago
      I think just as taking him out of context is bad taking the context out of his statements is bad. He has been using rhetoric of the kind they have accuse him of for a long time now but is always careful to never directly call for violence. Doublespeak is part of his grifting strategy after all. You would need to see how the extreme groups reacted to those tweets. If they used similar verbiage to what Twitter says I think at this point holding Trump to that as proof of bad enough speaking is fine. Honestly the reality is his tweet history earned him the ban but pointing to one set of tweets is easier PR.