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Which recent unrest? The riots last summer are still pretty recent. I doubt most of the businesses have even recovered from it yet. edit: I don't see why I'm b

Which recent unrest? The riots last summer are still pretty recent. I doubt most of the businesses have even recovered from it yet. edit: I don't see why I'm being downvoted, the article seems to be written when the BLM riots were relevant.

simonh 6y ago
I think five people dead and pipe bombs being planted in the Capitol building counts as unrest.
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- monoideism 6y ago
  He just asked which one. I suspect we all agree that the Capitol attack definitely counts as unrest. But there was another recent unrest in the summer, replete with a seditious autonomous zone and attacks on a federal building.
  - simonh 6y ago
    Oh absolutely, some of that was also highly objectionable IMHO. I want to be clear vigorous protest is a democratic right, including some civil disobedience, but you have to be prepared to accept the consequences and responsibility for your actions. I think the vast majority of the BLM protesters in the summer and the MAGA crowd on Wednesday were intent on peaceful demonstration. It’s the violent assholes on both sides that need reigning in.
    - monoideism 6y ago
      > It’s the violent assholes on both sides that need reigning in. Agreed. However, a lot of the aggressive, confrontational rhetoric on both the left and right implicitly pushed the more action-oriented folks into making bad choices. So many of the "peaceful" protestors and even folks at home ramp up the rhetoric to the point where some confrontation is almost inevitable. Trump's rhetoric is a great example, and obviously extremely influential on the right. But while they're not as individually influential as Trump, there are firebrands on the left who do the same (AOC, Maxine Waters, Rashida Tlaib, many more on the state and local level). And then even partisans who weren't engaging in aggressive rhetoric often excused it as understandable, which creates a nice cover for the folks engaged in violence. Legal responsibility, of course, ultimately rests with the rioters who did the deeds. But moral responsibility is more diffuse. Many, many more partisans need to examine the role that they've played in creating the conditions for conflict, on both the left and right.
- NDizzle 6y ago
  There weren’t pipe bombs in the Capitol. Stop spreading misinformation.
  - dredmorbius 6y ago
    Improvised explosive devices were found in several locations in Washington, D.C. A device suspected to be a pipe bomb was discovered adjacent to a building containing Republican National Committee (RNC) offices. A search of the nearby area found another suspected pipe bomb under a bush at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) headquarters.[4] The devices were believed to have been planted prior to the riots.[124] Both the RNC building and the DNC headquarters are a few blocks from the Capitol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_St... An explosive device is found at the R.N.C., and the D.N.C. is evacuated. An explosive device was found at the headquarters of the Republican National Committee in Washington and the nearby headquarters of the Democratic National Committee was evacuated after the discovery of a suspicious package on Wednesday, according to three people briefed on the discoveries. The device that was found at the R.N.C. was a pipe bomb that was successfully destroyed by a bomb squad, according to an official for the R.N.C. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/electoral-vote#pipe-bomb-rnc https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/electoral-vote#pi...
    - NDizzle 6y ago
      I hate to do this to you, but are either of those places in the Capitol building?
      - chris11 6y ago
        Preciseness is important but both DNC and RNC hqs are about a half mile walk from the Capitol building.
        NDizzle 6y ago
        Preciseness is extremely important. How many people are on social media right now calling the people who entered the Capitol terrorists because they assumed they carried bombs into the building?!

simonh 6y ago

I think five people dead and pipe bombs being planted in the Capitol building counts as unrest.

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monoideism 6y ago
He just asked which one. I suspect we all agree that the Capitol attack definitely counts as unrest. But there was another recent unrest in the summer, replete with a seditious autonomous zone and attacks on a federal building.
- simonh 6y ago
  Oh absolutely, some of that was also highly objectionable IMHO. I want to be clear vigorous protest is a democratic right, including some civil disobedience, but you have to be prepared to accept the consequences and responsibility for your actions. I think the vast majority of the BLM protesters in the summer and the MAGA crowd on Wednesday were intent on peaceful demonstration. It’s the violent assholes on both sides that need reigning in.
  - monoideism 6y ago
    > It’s the violent assholes on both sides that need reigning in. Agreed. However, a lot of the aggressive, confrontational rhetoric on both the left and right implicitly pushed the more action-oriented folks into making bad choices. So many of the "peaceful" protestors and even folks at home ramp up the rhetoric to the point where some confrontation is almost inevitable. Trump's rhetoric is a great example, and obviously extremely influential on the right. But while they're not as individually influential as Trump, there are firebrands on the left who do the same (AOC, Maxine Waters, Rashida Tlaib, many more on the state and local level). And then even partisans who weren't engaging in aggressive rhetoric often excused it as understandable, which creates a nice cover for the folks engaged in violence. Legal responsibility, of course, ultimately rests with the rioters who did the deeds. But moral responsibility is more diffuse. Many, many more partisans need to examine the role that they've played in creating the conditions for conflict, on both the left and right.
NDizzle 6y ago
There weren’t pipe bombs in the Capitol. Stop spreading misinformation.
- dredmorbius 6y ago
  Improvised explosive devices were found in several locations in Washington, D.C. A device suspected to be a pipe bomb was discovered adjacent to a building containing Republican National Committee (RNC) offices. A search of the nearby area found another suspected pipe bomb under a bush at the Democratic National Committee (DNC) headquarters.[4] The devices were believed to have been planted prior to the riots.[124] Both the RNC building and the DNC headquarters are a few blocks from the Capitol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_St... An explosive device is found at the R.N.C., and the D.N.C. is evacuated. An explosive device was found at the headquarters of the Republican National Committee in Washington and the nearby headquarters of the Democratic National Committee was evacuated after the discovery of a suspicious package on Wednesday, according to three people briefed on the discoveries. The device that was found at the R.N.C. was a pipe bomb that was successfully destroyed by a bomb squad, according to an official for the R.N.C. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/electoral-vote#pipe-bomb-rnc https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/electoral-vote#pi...
  - NDizzle 6y ago
    I hate to do this to you, but are either of those places in the Capitol building?
    - chris11 6y ago
      Preciseness is important but both DNC and RNC hqs are about a half mile walk from the Capitol building.
      - NDizzle 6y ago
        Preciseness is extremely important. How many people are on social media right now calling the people who entered the Capitol terrorists because they assumed they carried bombs into the building?!