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The "kids in cages" and "very fine people" nonsense continues to get peddled despite not being rooted in reality. And lets not forget, Trump told everyone to dr

The "kids in cages" and "very fine people" nonsense continues to get peddled despite not being rooted in reality. And lets not forget, Trump told everyone to drink bleach to treat COVID-19!

wtallis 6y ago
You seem to be complaining about some stuff that's not actually mentioned in the comment at issue. That's not a great way to back up that "divorced from reality" assertion. And for the stuff that does appear to be at least somewhat relevant to the comment at issue, you haven't clarified anything about what you believe to be divorced from reality, merely asserted that it is all "nonsense". The comment at issue did not use the phrase "kids in cages". That's you adding your personal color to a subject that you seem to object to being brought up in any manner at all. It looks like you're trying to build a straw-man or three, rather than justify the accusation that the comment in question is "entirely divorced from reality".
- Bantros 6y ago
  "Or encouraging those "fine people" in Charlottesville who murdered a woman" is divorced from reality, because it didn't happen
  - wtallis 6y ago
    More specifically, it gets the order of events wrong. Trump's comments about "very fine people" came after the deadly white supremacist rally, so it's misleading to imply that those comments were in encouragement of the killing. However, it's perfectly valid to construe Trump's comments as praise after the fact for the white supremacist rally, even though he specifically condemned the killing that resulted. Because Trump's assertions that there were "very fine people" on both sides and that there were many people on the alt-right side of that event who were not neo-Nazis or white nationalists are simply not credible claims. Trump was praising somebody. Even praising or encouraging the kind of white supremacists who don't get violent is abhorrent conduct on the part of the president, but the comment upthread exaggerated beyond this.
    - Bantros 6y ago
      "And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally"
      - wtallis 6y ago
        Right. Trump said that, but that doesn't actually change the fact that that there was no reason for anybody to be showing up to support the alt-right side of that event unless they were in fact a neo-Nazi or white nationalist. Pretending that there was a significant faction of those torch wielders who somehow weren't white supremacists is just silly. But Trump definitely didn't intend to praise the empty set with his "very fine people" comment.
wtfiswiththis 6y ago
The reason he had to make a statement is because his supporters rallied, chanted about not letting Jews replace them. Then one of them committed an ISIS style ramming attack. In response to this he said "very fine people on both sides." This means he called explicit Nazis/white nationalists "very fine people." This is an incontestable fact. As it happens some of the attendants of that Unite the Right Nazi rally were there storming the Capitol building as well. One was filmed inside Pelosi's office. Trump has continually encouraged his violent mob at times when he was meant to denounce them. This happened again after him and Republican's failed coup attempt. None of this can be contested, all of it is rooted in fact.

The "kids in cages" and "very fine people" nonsense continues to get peddled despite not being rooted in reality. And lets not forget, Trump told everyone to drink bleach to treat COVID-19!

wtallis 6y ago

You seem to be complaining about some stuff that's not actually mentioned in the comment at issue. That's not a great way to back up that "divorced from reality" assertion. And for the stuff that does appear to be at least somewhat relevant to the comment at issue, you haven't clarified anything about what you believe to be divorced from reality, merely asserted that it is all "nonsense". The comment at issue did not use the phrase "kids in cages". That's you adding your personal color to a subject that you seem to object to being brought up in any manner at all. It looks like you're trying to build a straw-man or three, rather than justify the accusation that the comment in question is "entirely divorced from reality".

Bantros 6y ago
"Or encouraging those "fine people" in Charlottesville who murdered a woman" is divorced from reality, because it didn't happen
- wtallis 6y ago
  More specifically, it gets the order of events wrong. Trump's comments about "very fine people" came after the deadly white supremacist rally, so it's misleading to imply that those comments were in encouragement of the killing. However, it's perfectly valid to construe Trump's comments as praise after the fact for the white supremacist rally, even though he specifically condemned the killing that resulted. Because Trump's assertions that there were "very fine people" on both sides and that there were many people on the alt-right side of that event who were not neo-Nazis or white nationalists are simply not credible claims. Trump was praising somebody. Even praising or encouraging the kind of white supremacists who don't get violent is abhorrent conduct on the part of the president, but the comment upthread exaggerated beyond this.
  - Bantros 6y ago
    "And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally"
    - wtallis 6y ago
      Right. Trump said that, but that doesn't actually change the fact that that there was no reason for anybody to be showing up to support the alt-right side of that event unless they were in fact a neo-Nazi or white nationalist. Pretending that there was a significant faction of those torch wielders who somehow weren't white supremacists is just silly. But Trump definitely didn't intend to praise the empty set with his "very fine people" comment.

wtfiswiththis 6y ago

The reason he had to make a statement is because his supporters rallied, chanted about not letting Jews replace them. Then one of them committed an ISIS style ramming attack. In response to this he said "very fine people on both sides." This means he called explicit Nazis/white nationalists "very fine people." This is an incontestable fact. As it happens some of the attendants of that Unite the Right Nazi rally were there storming the Capitol building as well. One was filmed inside Pelosi's office. Trump has continually encouraged his violent mob at times when he was meant to denounce them. This happened again after him and Republican's failed coup attempt. None of this can be contested, all of it is rooted in fact.