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The threats are no longer hypothetical (or FUD), we've seen what the mislead masses can and will do

sillycon-valley 6y ago
Yes people cannot think for themselves, we need to make sure they cannot speak or be near us. If they make their own platform like we tell them to, we'll just ban that too, haha.
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- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  You’re right. Everyone is definitely capable of thinking for themselves. No one would ever, say, violently storm the nation’s capitol because they believed propaganda about election fraud.
  - sillycon-valley 6y ago
    Yes, we will wipe every Trump supporter from the internet because of that. Anytime anyone does or reads anything then acts on their own accord, the political belief they are part of will be /dev/nulled into oblivion. So it shall be. Begin purge. Retroactively scanning 2020... 10,000 results found spanning 1 political ideology, billions of dollars in property damage, threats made, multiple cities burned, autonomous zones created, dozens dead.
- betenoire 6y ago
  I don't need an app to think for myself
  - sillycon-valley 6y ago
    Yeah you can think in the corner and noone will hear you like you don't exist. It's about having a voice. It's about the main argument being "it's a private company" then going and banning the alternatives.
    - betenoire 6y ago
      I don't have a right to be heard, that's not what free speech is. I also don't have the right to insist on other people publishing my views for me (corporations are people now, remember). And I certainly don't need to feel validated by apps.
      - sillycon-valley 6y ago
        Ah yes I forgot how pro-Apple, pro-Monopoly, pro-Corporate Hacker News was. Like it or not social media platforms are the new town square. Yes the current censorship is legal, it doesn't make it right. Especially when people make their own app then get banished on the only two app store monopolies. I believe there's already some anti-trust issues there. Epic made a 1984 ad about Apple. The sentiment here is generally Apple is a monopoly, today is different.
eplanit 6y ago
In Portland, too, right?
- newacct583 6y ago
  That's whataboutism and conflation. It's possible to believe that BLM-related vandalism and anarchism is bad and that an attack on congress is bad. But... sorry, a direct attack on a joint session of congress that forces the lawmakers and VP to be evacuated is WORSE than what happened in Portland. This country can tolerate another bunch of fires and broken statues outside the Portland Federal Courthouse. I don't think anyone serious can imaging the idea of congress being sacked again.
  - blisterpeanuts 6y ago
    It wasn't exactly an attack; it was a bunch of protesters, trespassing into the building during a very important session. Illegal and wrong, mind you, but hardly a terrorist attack that it's being painted as. A group of kooks and extremists who should have, and could have, been kept out by proper policing. The Capitol police really screwed up. Actually in a way it's good that it happened; exposed some major security holes. Not good that they shot an unarmed woman, though.
    - newacct583 6y ago
      > It wasn't exactly an attack Then why was congress evacuated? Why are multiple people on camera screaming "Where is Pence?!" and threatening to hang him? Why was that cop killed? That's ridiculous, sorry. It was a chaotic attack, sure. And surely there were some people there who just wandered in with the crowd and didn't want to hurt anyone. But this is an attack on congress. Be real.
      - sillycon-valley 6y ago
        I'd say it was mostly peaceful, especially compared to the riots. Certainly didn't last as long, it cost less in property damage, less people died, and less neighborhoods burnt down. Maybe we can ban both sides from social media and have no Twitter.
zaroth 6y ago
The threats haven’t been hypothetical all year. Dozens have died, 100s maimed, $2 billion in property damage. Kamala Harris said, > "They're not gonna stop, and everyone beware, because they're not gonna stop," she added. "They're not gonna stop before Election Day in November, and they're not gonna stop after Election Day." > "Everyone should take note of that, on both levels, that they're not going to let up — and they should not. And we should not," she concluded. I believe neither group are terrorists, but one side cannot be labeled a terrorist without implicating the other under the exact same label. In Portland, in Seattle, in D.C. The only difference is the scale of damage and death, which is orders of magnitude higher on one side.
- idiot900 6y ago
  I won't bother with your bizarre argument, but you are flagrantly taking Harris' words out of context. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/13/fact-check-democrats-have-condemned-violence-linked-protests/3317862001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/13/fac...
  - sillycon-valley 6y ago
    Welcome to politics, DT's words are constantly taken out of context and used to enflame the masses. That's why this censorship ordeal is scary. Both sides deserve to be heard so people can listen, hear both sides, sift through the bullshit and decide for themselves.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    I don’t know if you realize you’re making exactly my point. This “fact check” is the kind of laughable gaslighting that got us here. The YouTube videos speak for themselves. The death toll speaks for itself. > Colbert: ”I know there are protests still happening in major cities across the United States, I'm just not seeing the reporting on it that I had for the first few weeks," The “protests” were violet mobs which destroyed property and killed people. The media made up a narrative of “fiery but mostly peaceful protest” while buildings (and people’s livelihoods) literally burned in the background. $2 billion dollars of damage. > This isn’t going to stop. Police shot in the head, doused with gasoline, government buildings burned into the ground. > This is a movement I’m telling you. City capitol buildings invaded. Throngs calling for the removal of the elected leader of Seattle. City blocks occupied for days by an armed insurgent force. > they're not going to let up — and they should not. And we should not," she concluded. Ted Wheeler seems to be finally coming around to this, god knows how it took him so long; > “My good-faith efforts at de-escalation have been met with ongoing violence and even scorn from radical Antifa and anarchists,” Wheeler said in a New Year’s Day press conference. “In response, it will be necessary to use additional tools and to push the limits of the tools we already have to bring the criminal destruction and violence to an end.” Like I’ve been saying for the last two days, you can either say people like Kamala are inciting violent protest that was actively ongoing when they made these statements, and you can hold Trump to the same standard yesterday. Or you can let Kamala off the hook, but then you let Trump off at the same time. You can’t hold Trump to one standard and Kamala to another. You can’t call yesterday an insurrection and last year a summer of love.
listless 6y ago
This is EXACTLY why this is bad. If you censor the narrative, then you get to control it and history tells us that the first thing you'll do with it is mislead the masses.

Yes people cannot think for themselves, we need to make sure they cannot speak or be near us. If they make their own platform like we tell them to, we'll just ban that too, haha.

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jakelazaroff 6y ago
You’re right. Everyone is definitely capable of thinking for themselves. No one would ever, say, violently storm the nation’s capitol because they believed propaganda about election fraud.
- sillycon-valley 6y ago
  Yes, we will wipe every Trump supporter from the internet because of that. Anytime anyone does or reads anything then acts on their own accord, the political belief they are part of will be /dev/nulled into oblivion. So it shall be. Begin purge. Retroactively scanning 2020... 10,000 results found spanning 1 political ideology, billions of dollars in property damage, threats made, multiple cities burned, autonomous zones created, dozens dead.
betenoire 6y ago
I don't need an app to think for myself
- sillycon-valley 6y ago
  Yeah you can think in the corner and noone will hear you like you don't exist. It's about having a voice. It's about the main argument being "it's a private company" then going and banning the alternatives.
  - betenoire 6y ago
    I don't have a right to be heard, that's not what free speech is. I also don't have the right to insist on other people publishing my views for me (corporations are people now, remember). And I certainly don't need to feel validated by apps.
    - sillycon-valley 6y ago
      Ah yes I forgot how pro-Apple, pro-Monopoly, pro-Corporate Hacker News was. Like it or not social media platforms are the new town square. Yes the current censorship is legal, it doesn't make it right. Especially when people make their own app then get banished on the only two app store monopolies. I believe there's already some anti-trust issues there. Epic made a 1984 ad about Apple. The sentiment here is generally Apple is a monopoly, today is different.

eplanit 6y ago

In Portland, too, right?

newacct583 6y ago
That's whataboutism and conflation. It's possible to believe that BLM-related vandalism and anarchism is bad and that an attack on congress is bad. But... sorry, a direct attack on a joint session of congress that forces the lawmakers and VP to be evacuated is WORSE than what happened in Portland. This country can tolerate another bunch of fires and broken statues outside the Portland Federal Courthouse. I don't think anyone serious can imaging the idea of congress being sacked again.
- blisterpeanuts 6y ago
  It wasn't exactly an attack; it was a bunch of protesters, trespassing into the building during a very important session. Illegal and wrong, mind you, but hardly a terrorist attack that it's being painted as. A group of kooks and extremists who should have, and could have, been kept out by proper policing. The Capitol police really screwed up. Actually in a way it's good that it happened; exposed some major security holes. Not good that they shot an unarmed woman, though.
  - newacct583 6y ago
    > It wasn't exactly an attack Then why was congress evacuated? Why are multiple people on camera screaming "Where is Pence?!" and threatening to hang him? Why was that cop killed? That's ridiculous, sorry. It was a chaotic attack, sure. And surely there were some people there who just wandered in with the crowd and didn't want to hurt anyone. But this is an attack on congress. Be real.
    - sillycon-valley 6y ago
      I'd say it was mostly peaceful, especially compared to the riots. Certainly didn't last as long, it cost less in property damage, less people died, and less neighborhoods burnt down. Maybe we can ban both sides from social media and have no Twitter.

zaroth 6y ago

The threats haven’t been hypothetical all year. Dozens have died, 100s maimed, $2 billion in property damage. Kamala Harris said, > "They're not gonna stop, and everyone beware, because they're not gonna stop," she added. "They're not gonna stop before Election Day in November, and they're not gonna stop after Election Day." > "Everyone should take note of that, on both levels, that they're not going to let up — and they should not. And we should not," she concluded. I believe neither group are terrorists, but one side cannot be labeled a terrorist without implicating the other under the exact same label. In Portland, in Seattle, in D.C. The only difference is the scale of damage and death, which is orders of magnitude higher on one side.

idiot900 6y ago
I won't bother with your bizarre argument, but you are flagrantly taking Harris' words out of context. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/13/fact-check-democrats-have-condemned-violence-linked-protests/3317862001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/13/fac...
- sillycon-valley 6y ago
  Welcome to politics, DT's words are constantly taken out of context and used to enflame the masses. That's why this censorship ordeal is scary. Both sides deserve to be heard so people can listen, hear both sides, sift through the bullshit and decide for themselves.
- zaroth 6y ago
  I don’t know if you realize you’re making exactly my point. This “fact check” is the kind of laughable gaslighting that got us here. The YouTube videos speak for themselves. The death toll speaks for itself. > Colbert: ”I know there are protests still happening in major cities across the United States, I'm just not seeing the reporting on it that I had for the first few weeks," The “protests” were violet mobs which destroyed property and killed people. The media made up a narrative of “fiery but mostly peaceful protest” while buildings (and people’s livelihoods) literally burned in the background. $2 billion dollars of damage. > This isn’t going to stop. Police shot in the head, doused with gasoline, government buildings burned into the ground. > This is a movement I’m telling you. City capitol buildings invaded. Throngs calling for the removal of the elected leader of Seattle. City blocks occupied for days by an armed insurgent force. > they're not going to let up — and they should not. And we should not," she concluded. Ted Wheeler seems to be finally coming around to this, god knows how it took him so long; > “My good-faith efforts at de-escalation have been met with ongoing violence and even scorn from radical Antifa and anarchists,” Wheeler said in a New Year’s Day press conference. “In response, it will be necessary to use additional tools and to push the limits of the tools we already have to bring the criminal destruction and violence to an end.” Like I’ve been saying for the last two days, you can either say people like Kamala are inciting violent protest that was actively ongoing when they made these statements, and you can hold Trump to the same standard yesterday. Or you can let Kamala off the hook, but then you let Trump off at the same time. You can’t hold Trump to one standard and Kamala to another. You can’t call yesterday an insurrection and last year a summer of love.

listless 6y ago

This is EXACTLY why this is bad. If you censor the narrative, then you get to control it and history tells us that the first thing you'll do with it is mislead the masses.