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>Was a survey performed as people were entering the grounds? No. But an inventory of some of those who left the grounds in handcuffs was performed. And vario

>Was a survey performed as people were entering the grounds? No. But an inventory of some of those who left the grounds in handcuffs was performed. And various types of weapons, police-style zip ties and molotov cocktails were found. Dozens were injured, five people are dead, one of them beaten to death. Offices were trashed, items stolen and the seat of our government was vandalized. You don't need a crystal ball to draw conclusions from that.

mistermann 6y ago
You need a crystal ball to draw correct conclusions about the future though. What's happening in threads like this is that people have completely lost control of their minds. I estimate that 90%+ of comments are people mistaking their imagination for reality - reality is mostly unknown, but you'd never know it from the way people talk. It's almost as if people have been hypnotized or something. No one has the slightest concern for what is actually true. I hope it's only people on internet forums that are like this.
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- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Do you need a crystal ball to draw such confident conclusions about how other people think? It seems pretty unlikely that everyone who disagrees with you does so because they've lost control of their minds and don't care about the truth.
  - mistermann 6y ago
    Then when I mention the notion of the truth, why is it received with hostility, and downvoted, universally? Here, I'll give you a chance to see if you care about the truth: SpicyLemonZest says: > The people that stormed the capital have been pretty clear about their position here: they plan to continue escalating unless Trump is installed into power for a second term. Can you come up with a plausible explanation for how this can be known? > There's nothing we can do to meet people who think like that halfway; the only course of action which might avert further tragedies is to convince them that they aren't very powerful and won't be able to achieve their goals. Can you come up with a plausible explanation for how this can be known?
- nobody9999 6y ago
  >You need a crystal ball to draw correct conclusions about the future though. I don't know about that. I'll prognosticate that the close compatriots of the violent insurrectionists who are currently enjoying three hots and a cot courtesy of the US Government will almost certainly engage in more violent acts. Probably fairly soon. History is generally a pretty good guide to the future. Will every single person who smashed windows, beat on people with pipes and bats and went looking for Congresscritters to take hostage show up at the inauguration with RPGs to kill as many people as they can? I don't know. I can't say for sure, but since they've already shown themselves to be angry, violent and willing to harm/kill others, it's a pretty good bet that a significant number of those people will attempt violent action against their perceived enemies in the future. Why is that an unreasonable assumption to make?
  - ksk 6y ago
    >I'll prognosticate that the close compatriots of the violent insurrectionists who are currently enjoying three hots and a cot courtesy of the US Government will almost certainly engage in more violent acts. Probably fairly soon. I hear most people on the left support reforming criminals, and finding underlying root-causes. Do you?
    - kingaillas 6y ago
      >I hear most people on the left support reforming criminals, and finding underlying root-causes. Do you? I do, for root-causes such as poverty, lack of economic opportunity, lack of education, being victims of racist policies, etc... sure, reform is possible. When the root causes are massive delusion, indulging in ridiculous conspiracy theories, general resentment that other people want to be treated fairly, cult-of-personality-like worship of a dictator, etc. Then unfortunately the root-cause is ignorance and the problem is unfixable.
      - ksk 6y ago
        >When the root causes are massive delusion, indulging in ridiculous conspiracy theories, general resentment that other people want to be treated fairly, cult-of-personality-like worship of a dictator, etc. Then unfortunately the root-cause is ignorance and the problem is unfixable. And how do you know all this? You're pretty quick at finding root causes.

mistermann 6y ago

You need a crystal ball to draw correct conclusions about the future though. What's happening in threads like this is that people have completely lost control of their minds. I estimate that 90%+ of comments are people mistaking their imagination for reality - reality is mostly unknown, but you'd never know it from the way people talk. It's almost as if people have been hypnotized or something. No one has the slightest concern for what is actually true. I hope it's only people on internet forums that are like this.

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SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Do you need a crystal ball to draw such confident conclusions about how other people think? It seems pretty unlikely that everyone who disagrees with you does so because they've lost control of their minds and don't care about the truth.
- mistermann 6y ago
  Then when I mention the notion of the truth, why is it received with hostility, and downvoted, universally? Here, I'll give you a chance to see if you care about the truth: SpicyLemonZest says: > The people that stormed the capital have been pretty clear about their position here: they plan to continue escalating unless Trump is installed into power for a second term. Can you come up with a plausible explanation for how this can be known? > There's nothing we can do to meet people who think like that halfway; the only course of action which might avert further tragedies is to convince them that they aren't very powerful and won't be able to achieve their goals. Can you come up with a plausible explanation for how this can be known?
nobody9999 6y ago
>You need a crystal ball to draw correct conclusions about the future though. I don't know about that. I'll prognosticate that the close compatriots of the violent insurrectionists who are currently enjoying three hots and a cot courtesy of the US Government will almost certainly engage in more violent acts. Probably fairly soon. History is generally a pretty good guide to the future. Will every single person who smashed windows, beat on people with pipes and bats and went looking for Congresscritters to take hostage show up at the inauguration with RPGs to kill as many people as they can? I don't know. I can't say for sure, but since they've already shown themselves to be angry, violent and willing to harm/kill others, it's a pretty good bet that a significant number of those people will attempt violent action against their perceived enemies in the future. Why is that an unreasonable assumption to make?
- ksk 6y ago
  >I'll prognosticate that the close compatriots of the violent insurrectionists who are currently enjoying three hots and a cot courtesy of the US Government will almost certainly engage in more violent acts. Probably fairly soon. I hear most people on the left support reforming criminals, and finding underlying root-causes. Do you?
  - kingaillas 6y ago
    >I hear most people on the left support reforming criminals, and finding underlying root-causes. Do you? I do, for root-causes such as poverty, lack of economic opportunity, lack of education, being victims of racist policies, etc... sure, reform is possible. When the root causes are massive delusion, indulging in ridiculous conspiracy theories, general resentment that other people want to be treated fairly, cult-of-personality-like worship of a dictator, etc. Then unfortunately the root-cause is ignorance and the problem is unfixable.
    - ksk 6y ago
      >When the root causes are massive delusion, indulging in ridiculous conspiracy theories, general resentment that other people want to be treated fairly, cult-of-personality-like worship of a dictator, etc. Then unfortunately the root-cause is ignorance and the problem is unfixable. And how do you know all this? You're pretty quick at finding root causes.