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-Don't like it? Make your own subreddit/group/discord! X -Don't like it? Make your own image host! X -Don't like it? Make your own social media! X -Don't lik

by zionic 6y ago

-Don't like it? Make your own subreddit/group/discord! X -Don't like it? Make your own image host! X -Don't like it? Make your own social media! X -Don't like it? Make your own aggregator! X -Don't like it? Make your own cloudfare/hosting provider (you are here) -Don't like it? Make your own ISP! -Don't like it? Make your own banking/payment infrastructure! Edit: TIL HN doesn't support emoji

d1zzy 6y ago
Like you listed above there are lots of options still available, that's not really the limiting factor here. I believe a more subtle and harder barrier to overcome for posting controversial Internet content is going to be the credit card companies or payment processors. They are much fewer and if they refuse to do business with you you'd have no means to pay for any service you might need. Except, of course, for cryptocurrency... EDIT: One option I think you forgot is using one of the existing hosting providers but hide the web service under a TOR hidden service. That way people can't track it back to your hosting provider to complain about the hosted content (and you can use encryption of the content that is decrypted on the fly when being served by the web server) if you worry about the hosting provider doing some scans of customer content tho that seems very unlikely to me.
Dylan16807 6y ago
I feel like 2-4 are all on the same level? Make your own group: valid Make your own site: valid Make your own hosting provider: this one is tricky Make your own ISP: shouldn't be needed Make your own payment infrastructure: shouldn't be needed
- thatsnotmepls 6y ago
  Sure, making your own social media and inviting your friends to use it is gonna work out well bud, sure.
- SolarNet 6y ago
  I mean net neutrality prevents the ISP one from being an issue, which means making the hosting provider should be the end of that. The payment infrastructure doesn't really have a good solution. Visa/MasterCard are famously quite puritan, most sex workers (e.g. OnlyFans, porn actors) get paid in direct deposit (form the websites) and are paid (by clients) using bank details (not cards, nor in most cases paypal like processors, it's one reason Patreon toned down the sex work they allowed). So yes, one would have to do that, create your own bank and stuff. But banks, like Tier 1 networks, seem to generally "peer" with anyone, but I am not clear if that's a requirement of legislation or not.

by zionic 6y ago

d1zzy 6y ago

Like you listed above there are lots of options still available, that's not really the limiting factor here. I believe a more subtle and harder barrier to overcome for posting controversial Internet content is going to be the credit card companies or payment processors. They are much fewer and if they refuse to do business with you you'd have no means to pay for any service you might need. Except, of course, for cryptocurrency... EDIT: One option I think you forgot is using one of the existing hosting providers but hide the web service under a TOR hidden service. That way people can't track it back to your hosting provider to complain about the hosted content (and you can use encryption of the content that is decrypted on the fly when being served by the web server) if you worry about the hosting provider doing some scans of customer content tho that seems very unlikely to me.

Dylan16807 6y ago

I feel like 2-4 are all on the same level? Make your own group: valid Make your own site: valid Make your own hosting provider: this one is tricky Make your own ISP: shouldn't be needed Make your own payment infrastructure: shouldn't be needed

thatsnotmepls 6y ago
Sure, making your own social media and inviting your friends to use it is gonna work out well bud, sure.
SolarNet 6y ago
I mean net neutrality prevents the ISP one from being an issue, which means making the hosting provider should be the end of that. The payment infrastructure doesn't really have a good solution. Visa/MasterCard are famously quite puritan, most sex workers (e.g. OnlyFans, porn actors) get paid in direct deposit (form the websites) and are paid (by clients) using bank details (not cards, nor in most cases paypal like processors, it's one reason Patreon toned down the sex work they allowed). So yes, one would have to do that, create your own bank and stuff. But banks, like Tier 1 networks, seem to generally "peer" with anyone, but I am not clear if that's a requirement of legislation or not.