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I do not even think it is morbid. 70 million people voted for Trump. Understanding them better is not a bad thing. Does not mean agreeing with them. And yes

I do not even think it is morbid. 70 million people voted for Trump. Understanding them better is not a bad thing. Does not mean agreeing with them. And yes, same.

cultus 6y ago
I think most of us understand them perfectly well at this point. Quit carrying water for fascists, it's gross.
- sillycon-valley 6y ago
  And the other side will call you a communist. See how that doesn't help?
  - cultus 6y ago
    Better than a Nazi. Letting fascism slide is what got us into this mess. We aren't going to get out of it by coddling people who don't believe in democracy and freedom. Nice shiny 2-day old account you got there. Afraid to post under your real account because you appear to be a fascist sympathizer?
    - sillycon-valley 6y ago
      Calling people Nazi's is a great way to dehumanize someone, but not really a great way to win anyone over because it's not an argument. The only fascism I see is the censorship going around. How are they Nazis or fascists? Most want limited government, and no censorship. Trump supporters don't own the media and aren't silencing people. I don't see why you have to attack me or my account. You're the one calling people fascists and getting flagged. I just wanted to point out that name calling gets you nowhere.
    - throwaway45349 6y ago
      Why don't you post your LinkedIn if you feel so strongly that we shouldn't be anonymous for our own protection? I hate both extremes and I don't want to risk the thugs from either side (nazis or communists) bashing my skull in or trying to get me fired.
redisman 6y ago
I don't know if those Donald sites are good for that. That is the small Q-anonish minority that was at the capitol. Most of the discussion is not exactly tethered to reality.
- ddingus 6y ago
  None of it is inclusive. I personally am very liberal when it comes to speech. And yes, all communities are good for understanding people better. Does not mean agreeing with them. It does mean being able to know who one is dealing with. That matters to me.
caturopath 6y ago
I don't think it's entirely fair to suggest that thedonald.win represents the 70 million Trump voters. It represents the attitudes of a few million of the weirdos, distorted further by roleplayers/trolls and international infiltrators. Your average Trump voter is just a normal Republican. They voted for Trump because there was an R next to his name and defended him because he was on their team. The Democratic voters would be no different if the dems ran an equally ghastly candidate. (They obviously have not done so, and I am not making the claim that's random. I'm not saying 'both sides are the same' in this post.) It might be useful to understand the thedonald.win crowd, but it ain't 70MM of your countrymen, Americans.
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- sillycon-valley 6y ago
  You'd be surprised that Trump supporters are outside the Republican realm. If you spent 5 minutes on TDW you'd see they hate most establishment Republicans. This isn't new either, it started with Ron Paul and then the Tea Party movement. I'd say overall the majority on TDW are leaning more towards libertarian than conservative. Certain things like freedom of speech, 2nd amendment rights, limited government and spending are shared ideals. Other things like pro-marijuana, pro-life, Christianity are depicted and respected but differ between supporters and less popular then the ideals everyone agrees on.
- polka_haunts_us 6y ago
  I thought the race for Washington State's Insurance Commissioner was pretty instructive on this point. No one serious from the Republican party ran because no one really objects to the existence of the current guy, so the guy who ran with the R next to his name was, not making a lot of sense in the voter's guide. (He was going to hire 168 people to do his job, 1 hour at a time, among other things that didn't make a lot of sense). He still got 35% of the vote.
x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
We understand them well enough. No need to hear why people's civil rights need to be brushed aside to make room for a white supremacy.

I do not even think it is morbid. 70 million people voted for Trump. Understanding them better is not a bad thing. Does not mean agreeing with them. And yes, same.

cultus 6y ago

I think most of us understand them perfectly well at this point. Quit carrying water for fascists, it's gross.

sillycon-valley 6y ago
And the other side will call you a communist. See how that doesn't help?
- cultus 6y ago
  Better than a Nazi. Letting fascism slide is what got us into this mess. We aren't going to get out of it by coddling people who don't believe in democracy and freedom. Nice shiny 2-day old account you got there. Afraid to post under your real account because you appear to be a fascist sympathizer?
  - sillycon-valley 6y ago
    Calling people Nazi's is a great way to dehumanize someone, but not really a great way to win anyone over because it's not an argument. The only fascism I see is the censorship going around. How are they Nazis or fascists? Most want limited government, and no censorship. Trump supporters don't own the media and aren't silencing people. I don't see why you have to attack me or my account. You're the one calling people fascists and getting flagged. I just wanted to point out that name calling gets you nowhere.
  - throwaway45349 6y ago
    Why don't you post your LinkedIn if you feel so strongly that we shouldn't be anonymous for our own protection? I hate both extremes and I don't want to risk the thugs from either side (nazis or communists) bashing my skull in or trying to get me fired.

redisman 6y ago

I don't know if those Donald sites are good for that. That is the small Q-anonish minority that was at the capitol. Most of the discussion is not exactly tethered to reality.

ddingus 6y ago
None of it is inclusive. I personally am very liberal when it comes to speech. And yes, all communities are good for understanding people better. Does not mean agreeing with them. It does mean being able to know who one is dealing with. That matters to me.

caturopath 6y ago

I don't think it's entirely fair to suggest that thedonald.win represents the 70 million Trump voters. It represents the attitudes of a few million of the weirdos, distorted further by roleplayers/trolls and international infiltrators. Your average Trump voter is just a normal Republican. They voted for Trump because there was an R next to his name and defended him because he was on their team. The Democratic voters would be no different if the dems ran an equally ghastly candidate. (They obviously have not done so, and I am not making the claim that's random. I'm not saying 'both sides are the same' in this post.) It might be useful to understand the thedonald.win crowd, but it ain't 70MM of your countrymen, Americans.

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sillycon-valley 6y ago
You'd be surprised that Trump supporters are outside the Republican realm. If you spent 5 minutes on TDW you'd see they hate most establishment Republicans. This isn't new either, it started with Ron Paul and then the Tea Party movement. I'd say overall the majority on TDW are leaning more towards libertarian than conservative. Certain things like freedom of speech, 2nd amendment rights, limited government and spending are shared ideals. Other things like pro-marijuana, pro-life, Christianity are depicted and respected but differ between supporters and less popular then the ideals everyone agrees on.
polka_haunts_us 6y ago
I thought the race for Washington State's Insurance Commissioner was pretty instructive on this point. No one serious from the Republican party ran because no one really objects to the existence of the current guy, so the guy who ran with the R next to his name was, not making a lot of sense in the voter's guide. (He was going to hire 168 people to do his job, 1 hour at a time, among other things that didn't make a lot of sense). He still got 35% of the vote.

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago

We understand them well enough. No need to hear why people's civil rights need to be brushed aside to make room for a white supremacy.