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You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. There are many examp

• Exuma 6y ago
  Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. He said something like "we will remember this day," and not long after condemned violence and supported law enforcement. Then the next day he condemned it again.
  • guscost 6y ago
    “Will be wild” was a little sketchy. But you are more right than wrong, he could easily have channeled all that energy into something truly horrible just by saying “It’s the Socialists! Let’s get the bastards!”
  • cecja 6y ago
    You are lying to yourself there mate. Everyone knows his intentions from his actions in the past. Fuck you and your fascist agenda.
  • wmichelin 6y ago
    You're either being willfully ignorant, or arguing in bad faith. Calling for your people to all organize outside of the capitol building, claiming that the election was fraudulent without providing evidence, and then telling the active terrorists "we love you" should be sufficient evidence for you.
    • umvi 6y ago
      You are making assumptions on what was in President Trump's brain from a few short tweets. The white house is on the opposite side of the mall as the congress building. How do you know he wasn't saying "we love you" to the huge turnout of people gathered around the Washington monument right near the white house? How do you know he was specifically praising the tiny minority of the protestors that broke into congress?
      • camel_Snake 6y ago
        The President is responsible for his words and actions, not solely his feelings and thoughts. If he can't effectively communicate his intention to the point he 'accidentally' whips is supporters into a seditious frenzy that makes him unfit for office.
    • mherkender 6y ago
      Don’t forget the calls for Total War and Trial by Combat from his son and lawyer.
      • dragonwriter 6y ago
        Or for the execution of Pence by Lin Wood (targeting Pence specifically is something I've also seen in several quotes from the insurrectionists.)
  • sidlls 6y ago
    This is like people who think judges are dumb and apply the law mechanically and strictly as written without any room for context or nuance. The fact is there is a history of Trump supporters turning violent after Trump rallies and speeches. It’s an established pattern that requires willfully ignoring to contend he has plausible deniability.
    • Exuma 6y ago
      It's no different than BLM members burning down cities. There's this sort of thing on both sides which don't represent the larger group. Also, FWIW, I don't support anything remotely close to storming building, but people on the left certainly are quick to blame when I've watched exact same thing happen over the last year or two.
      • sidlls 6y ago
        Tu quoque doesn’t change what Trump did.
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  • BobbyJo 6y ago
    The beauty (and horror) of a lot of Trump's incitement is he always does it implicitly as opposed to explicitly. It's not about quotes and verbage as much as meaning and intent. That being said, his incitement Wednesday was actually pretty explicit. From the Times: Trump said "If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore" before urging supporters to go to the capital. Sounds like a pretty powerful incitement from a sitting President.
    • guscost 6y ago
      Urging supporters to go to the capital “peacefully” using that explicit qualifier. You still have a point, but be transparent about it.
      • BobbyJo 6y ago
        Just because he followed up with "peacefully" later doesn't negate him saying 'fight like hell'. I mean, most of the problematic things Trump has said have been followed/preceded by things intended to make them look less problematic. I wasn't intentionally leaving anything out though, I took that quote directly from the Times.
        • guscost 6y ago
          The Times intentionally left that out. Notwithstanding earlier inflammatory language, this is the exact quote: “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard today.” You may believe that the word “patriotically” was a dog-whistle, but none of the headlines characterized the statement correctly.
  • stronglikedan 6y ago
    > Please cite me tweets/descriptions of where he incited anything. It's not gonna happen, because it didn't happen. I've asked everyone I know to cite the same thing, and no one has been able to. Of course, that won't stop the narrative, because truth has become irrelevant. EDIT: I find it amusing that even the people that have responded to you so far, still haven't actually cited anything yet.
    • bdamm 6y ago
      Because I've already done this for so many other people that I'm exhausted. Go f*cking read the speech yourself. What did he think would happen when he asked his supporters to "talk to their representatives" literally as they are voting? Go have a nice cup of tea?
      • x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
        They are sea-lioning. They are going to constantly ask for "evidence", and then when provided for it, act as if it's biased/false/non-existant and then restate the question. The goal is to put all the labor of the conversation and gathering of sources onto you while they just get to reply: "I don't believe that, the MSM is biased, show me another source".
        • Exuma 6y ago
          Are you claiming MSM isn't biased?
          • netsharc 6y ago
            x86_64Ubuntu forgot to add "or they'll change the topic".
          • gremlinsinc 6y ago
            Are you claiming specifically biased-right-wing <insert journal name> isn't biased? MSM (CNN, CNBC, MSNBC) is 10% as biased (to the left), Fox (probably 50% biased to the right), etc. Least biased is probably Reuters, AP, and PBS, and maybe NPR. Local news is usually not so biased either. But Washington Times, Breitbart, Random Youtube Vlogger, etc...none of those can be trusted. That's why they're never linked to on Hackernews, except maybe in comments, I'd imagine. They're basically tabloids. Good to cross-reference with Snopes or Politifact if you are curious what's true. Personally, I like to read multiple sources and google a topic to get a better picture to see other 'takes'. Only way to not get bubble/group think.
  • sixothree 6y ago
    He literally gave an hour long speech minutes before they attacked our nation's capitol.
    • Supermancho 6y ago
      Not sure what THAT video is "showing", but let's look at the actual speech... You can see/hear/read (via transcript) starting about here: https://youtu.be/ht20eDYmLXU?t=10186 https://youtu.be/ht20eDYmLXU?t=10186 Romney, American Elections, Press "enemy of the people", American 3rd world country, Republicans Fighting/Boxing, Fight Bad People, Pence and Constitution, Congress addressing assault on country, Walk down to Capitol with me, Show strength and be strong, Demand congress do the right thing lawfully, March over peacefully and patriotically make voices heard, Integrity of elections and country, Country under siege, blah blah Get up to the final incite: https://youtu.be/ht20eDYmLXU?t=13513 https://youtu.be/ht20eDYmLXU?t=13513 and it's had a tremendous impact that we got rid of catch and release we got rid of all of the stuff that we had to live with but now the caravans they think biden's getting in the caravans are forming again they want to come in again and rip off our country can't let it happen as this enormous crowd shows we have truth and justice on our side we have a deep and enduring love for america in our hearts we love our country we have overwhelming pride in this great country and we have it deep in our souls together we are determined to defend and preserve government of the people by the people and for the people our brightest days are before us our greatest achievements still wait i think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody until i came along had any idea how corrupt our elections were and again most people would stand there at nine o'clock in the evening and say i want to thank you very much and they go off to some other life but i said something's wrong here something's really wrong can't have happened and we fight we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell you're not gonna have a country anymore our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun my fellow americans for our movement for our children and for our beloved country and i say this despite all that's happened the best is yet to come so we're going to we're going to walk down pennsylvania avenue i love pennsylvania and we're going to the capitol and we're going to try and give the democrats are hopeless they're never voting for anything not even one vote but we're going to try and give our republicans the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help we're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country so let's walk down pennsylvania avenue i want to thank you all god bless you and god bless america thank you all for being here this is incredible thank you very much
• umvi 6y ago
  > You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. By this logic pro-BLM democrats (including some high level pro-BLM politicians) incited numerous violent mobs over the course of 2020 to attack Seattle and Portland and usurp rule-of-law. But when it happened then the protests were "fiery but mostly peaceful" because "collateral damage is okay if it is done in the name of grappling with racism". Now that the other side has gathered to protest what they see as injustices, it's "a coup" and "terrorism" because of the bad actors who postponed congress for a few hours despite the fact that the vast majority of the people at the protest were peacefully protesting.
  • edmundsauto 6y ago
    You say these things as if they are not facts. BLM was protesting the injustice of systematic oppression that results in black people bejng murdered by police. 93% of the protests were entirely peaceful. In the other 7%, it is not clear if the violence was instigated by citizens or police. On the right, you have people who storm the US fucking Capitol building while they are confirming the next POTUS. They were trying to disrupt the federal government. Some of them had zip tie handcuffs and were reportedly looking for VP Pence. If you cannot see the clear daylight between those two things, and insist on reducing it to “violence on both sides”, then I simply don’t know what to say to you except to please re-examine your humanity as well as your critical thinking skills.
    • umvi 6y ago
      > On the right, you have people who storm the US fucking Capitol building while they are confirming the next POTUS. Could you directly address that time back in June when armed BLM protestors stormed Capitol Hill in Seattle and kicked out all the police for a month?[0] Why does that event get a pass in the context of this conversation? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone
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• staplers 6y ago
  Imagine if ISIS had a twitter account or reddit fanpage. How fast would conservatives pass legislation to take it down? If the terrorists are white, they're treated differently.
  • gscott 6y ago
    ISIS had thousands of Twitter accounts and were selling Rohingya underage girls into sex slavery over Facebook.
    • nafizh 6y ago
      That’s Yazidi not rohingya. Two separate groups at two distant places on earth.
  • ByteJockey 6y ago
    ISIS uses twitter a lot. It's one of their main recruitment methods. https://towardsdatascience.com/how-isis-uses-twitter-10065790354a https://towardsdatascience.com/how-isis-uses-twitter-1006579... Or were you talking more of an "official" twitter account for the organization itself (the same way Wendy's has a twitter account)?
• oceanplexian 6y ago
  When you use words such as seditious and mob, I want to remind you that words have power and that those words don’t unify but rather tend to divide and amplify hatred on both sides. There were many instances where protests got out of hand this summer and courthouses and police stations were destroyed; entire city blocks were taken over and those responsible enacted and enforced their own laws. The actions weren’t referred to as sedition and most media outlets avoided words like mob, treason, etc. Of course, don’t take my statement to mean I condone ANY case of violence, rioting, property damage, etc. (And in all cases those responsible and those inciting violence should be held accountable) but being consistent and avoiding charged language when depicting civil unrest would go a long way to heal the country rather than to divide it.
  • trustfundbaby 6y ago
    yes, because they didn't literally overrun the seat of power and threaten to topple the government. Seditious is spot on.
  • dragontamer 6y ago
    > When you use words such as seditious and mob The seditious mob injured 50 officers and killed one of them. You should quit defending them. Stop with the "both-sidesisms". We can clearly point out which group is evil here.
  • adamsea 6y ago
    > those words don’t unify but rather tend to divide and amplify hatred Hahahahaha unify. You. The one enabling white supremacy by refusing to name it. Unify.
  • Exuma 6y ago
    I don't disagree the problem is the left has so many examples that this hypocrisy is just excruciating to me. You literally have people creating lists to blackball anyone who supports trump, praised and lauded by some political people high up on the food chain. I rarely ever see the left actively support an ACTUAL view of "unity," and believe me, I truly look for it by looking at all opposing views on my social media, on people I disagree with, etc.
• pnw_hazor 6y ago
  “I just don’t even know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country, and maybe there will be when people realize that this is a policy that they defend" - Nancy Pelosi
  • txsoftwaredev 6y ago
    "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere." - Maxine Waters
    • camel_Snake 6y ago
      Notice how this is advocating the use of free speech? Notice the lack of violent words like "attack" "battle" "combat" "fight" etc? Do you notice just how different this is than the rhetoric employed by Trump, Guiliani, etc. recently?
      • txsoftwaredev 6y ago
        “I just don’t even know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country, and maybe there will be when people realize that this is a policy that they defend,” Pelosi said during a press conference. “It’s a horrible thing, and I don’t see any prospect for legislation here.” - Nancy Pelosi Definition of uprising : an act or instance of rising up especially : a usually localized act of popular violence in defiance usually of an established government