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Really? I can't believe that. I mean, in a sense, all software is just a vehicle for the data it processes, and the actual value lies in the data - not the sof

by Lutger 6y ago

Really? I can't believe that. I mean, in a sense, all software is just a vehicle for the data it processes, and the actual value lies in the data - not the software. That data is chats for Signal. If they think that's worthless, even just the history of it, it means they don't really value their own application. They are wrong.

herbstein 6y ago
The Signal protocol is forward-secret. I don't know the nitty-gritty specifics of the protocol, but the essence is this: You don't want someone getting access to your account two years from now to be able to access every old message. Consider every message a separate object that gets encrypted. The keys are changed/updated each time a new device is added to an account. That new device only knows the new key(s), and thus can only decrypt new messages.
- tw04 6y ago
  >You don't want someone getting access to your account two years from now to be able to access every old message. The messages I don't want people getting ahold of are either created with expirations or I manually delete them. I couldn't care less if someone 2 years from now can read a chat log between me and my mom if it means that I can actually read them 2 years and multiple devices away from now as well. What I don't want is to be forced to message with one app for secure chat and something completely different for daily driving. It's a pain, and nobody in my circle is willing to do it (and I don't blame them).
  - FalconSensei 6y ago
    Completely agree with that. This whole 'I don't care about history' discourse can change greatly for some people after a loved one dies, for example.
- hackmiester 6y ago
  Neither you nor any Signal dev knows what I want (i.e., what security vs convenience tradeoffs I am willing to make). I will choose the tool that allows me to use it in the way I want to use it.

by Lutger 6y ago

herbstein 6y ago

The Signal protocol is forward-secret. I don't know the nitty-gritty specifics of the protocol, but the essence is this: You don't want someone getting access to your account two years from now to be able to access every old message. Consider every message a separate object that gets encrypted. The keys are changed/updated each time a new device is added to an account. That new device only knows the new key(s), and thus can only decrypt new messages.

tw04 6y ago
>You don't want someone getting access to your account two years from now to be able to access every old message. The messages I don't want people getting ahold of are either created with expirations or I manually delete them. I couldn't care less if someone 2 years from now can read a chat log between me and my mom if it means that I can actually read them 2 years and multiple devices away from now as well. What I don't want is to be forced to message with one app for secure chat and something completely different for daily driving. It's a pain, and nobody in my circle is willing to do it (and I don't blame them).
- FalconSensei 6y ago
  Completely agree with that. This whole 'I don't care about history' discourse can change greatly for some people after a loved one dies, for example.
hackmiester 6y ago
Neither you nor any Signal dev knows what I want (i.e., what security vs convenience tradeoffs I am willing to make). I will choose the tool that allows me to use it in the way I want to use it.