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So, suddenly things like police use of facial recognition, phone GPS data and other such privacy invading measures are good? Weren't these methods being decrie

So, suddenly things like police use of facial recognition, phone GPS data and other such privacy invading measures are good? Weren't these methods being decried only just a few months ago when they were being used on the protests and riots during the summer? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/08/cops-in-miami-nyc-arrest-protesters-from-facial-recognition-matches/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/08/cops-in-miami-ny... Another article from July from arstechnica about the very same thing written in a very different tone.

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davesque 6y ago
Does the article advocate for these practices or merely report on them? I didn't really pick up on an approving tone myself.
scythe 6y ago
The article asserts: >In short: you don't need fancy facial recognition tools to identify people who livestream their crimes. Did you read it?
- badlucklottery 6y ago
  This. I wasn't even looking for them last night and I saw hundreds of pictures from inside the building.
- bpodgursky 6y ago
  Yeah but a ton of people livestreamed themselves during the June protests + riots + looting + etc, and there were absolutely privacy objections to doing dragnets + facial recognition over the videos they posted on on Twitter (AFAIK very little was actually done to identify and arrest the bad actors, by the percentages).
  - grogenaut 6y ago
    a cursory search says you are incorrect... looters, rioters arrested (from one event I looked for): https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/bellevue-police-update-on-looting/281-3c682ae1-ce3e-48aa-bd1a-6fcbf1858a74 https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/bellevue-police-upd... rioters arrested (Weeks later, there was a knock at the door of Little’s Everett apartment when police came to arrest his 25-year-old son and search the family’s apartment): https://www.king5.com/article/news/investigations/analysis-of-seattle-protester-arrests/281-908cad06-29be-408a-9093-3f45941bc039 https://www.king5.com/article/news/investigations/analysis-o... sometimes the DA decides not to prosecute, or defer for misdemeanors: https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/dozens-protesters-arrested-by-seattle-police-may-never-be-prosecuted/TQMXRMHYXBFZ5KZVTMEDU2S4IE/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/dozens-protesters-arrested-... you don't arrest legal protesters, that's you know legal. You do arrest, or defer (in the city that had the infamous CHAZ/CHOP) arrest people breaking the law.
ogre_codes 6y ago
Don't need to bother with any of that. Much like the bonehead who did a selfie after breaking into a mansion, most of these guys are publicly posting their participation.
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troydavis 6y ago
The article addresses that in detail, but basically, this is people posting photos and videos of themselves there. In some cases, the photos were geotagged. As the article says: > With all of that said, however, the DC Metropolitan Police and the FBI will probably need to look no further than a cursory Google search to identify many of the leaders of Wednesday's insurrection, as many of them took to social media both before and after the event to brag about it in detail. In short: you don't need fancy facial recognition tools to identify people who livestream their crimes.
- ehsankia 6y ago
  All of that is also mostly irrelevant, the capitol is plastered with cameras anyways.
bpodgursky 6y ago
Only about 5% of published objections to any given use of this technology is grounded in real principle. 95% is situational based on which "side" will be tactically punished by the usage. (Everyone will inevitably try to hedge their hedges with "But this situation is different/worse/xyz, it doesn't change the root objections. Elephant leading the rider.)
- IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
  The article really has nothing to do with face recognition. And in general, I'm having trouble coming up with any scenario or example where one "side" would see disproportionate impact from face recognition? Aside, that is, from the well-known generic problems with the criminal justice system. As such your imaginary 5 % isn't just too low or too high... I don't think there is any realistic way for your argument to be anything more than some so-so story your brain came up with given a bunch of prior believes.
slumdev 6y ago
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1347015745851555842 https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1347015745851555842
nikolay 6y ago
Suddenly, all that China does is good. I keep hearing more and more how good the mass surveillance with the Social Credit System in China is a good thing!
- gameswithgo 6y ago
  you havent been hearing shit
  - nikolay 6y ago
    So, suddenly, you're eavesdropping (too!) on my ears to speak with such arrogant authority of what I've been hearing and what not? Yes, I've been hearing that - from the handling of the pandemic to reducing crime due to the social credit score!
tyrust 6y ago
>about the very same thing It's not about the same thing. This article is about publicly visible people that advertised their actions in a way that was tied to their name. The article you posted is actually about facial recognition.
Rebelgecko 6y ago
You don't need facial recognition when you can go to duckduckgo and search for "QAnon guy with horns" and get his stage name, legal name, and city of residence. That sort of targeted investigation is a lot more palatable to me than the sort of dragnet surveillance that people normally thing of when you mention looking at faces and GPS
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IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
Well.. they are all white, so the algorithms would actually work. But no: nobody who previously advocated against, say, running face detection on random CCTV feeds has changed their position, as far as I can tell.
ta2987 6y ago
These are terrorists, not protestors.
sharkjacobs 6y ago
If you think the only difference between these two stories is the tone then you didn't read them very carefully, or you're trying to draw a false equivalence between the people involved > The ACLU in June filed a complaint against the Detroit police, alleging the department arrested the wrong man based on a flawed, incomplete match provided by facial recognition software. In the wake of the ACLU's complaint, Detroit Police Chief James Craig admitted that the software his agency uses misidentifies suspects 96 percent of the time. > DC Metropolitan Police and the FBI will probably need to look no further than a cursory Google search to identify many of the leaders of Wednesday's insurrection, as many of them took to social media both before and after the event to brag about it in detail. In short: you don't need fancy facial recognition tools to identify people who livestream their crimes
op00to 6y ago
Can you not tell the difference between insurrectionist, peaceful protestors, and rioters? Are you they mentally dim?

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davesque 6y ago

Does the article advocate for these practices or merely report on them? I didn't really pick up on an approving tone myself.

scythe 6y ago

The article asserts: >In short: you don't need fancy facial recognition tools to identify people who livestream their crimes. Did you read it?

badlucklottery 6y ago
This. I wasn't even looking for them last night and I saw hundreds of pictures from inside the building.
bpodgursky 6y ago
Yeah but a ton of people livestreamed themselves during the June protests + riots + looting + etc, and there were absolutely privacy objections to doing dragnets + facial recognition over the videos they posted on on Twitter (AFAIK very little was actually done to identify and arrest the bad actors, by the percentages).
- grogenaut 6y ago
  a cursory search says you are incorrect... looters, rioters arrested (from one event I looked for): https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/bellevue-police-update-on-looting/281-3c682ae1-ce3e-48aa-bd1a-6fcbf1858a74 https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/bellevue-police-upd... rioters arrested (Weeks later, there was a knock at the door of Little’s Everett apartment when police came to arrest his 25-year-old son and search the family’s apartment): https://www.king5.com/article/news/investigations/analysis-of-seattle-protester-arrests/281-908cad06-29be-408a-9093-3f45941bc039 https://www.king5.com/article/news/investigations/analysis-o... sometimes the DA decides not to prosecute, or defer for misdemeanors: https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/dozens-protesters-arrested-by-seattle-police-may-never-be-prosecuted/TQMXRMHYXBFZ5KZVTMEDU2S4IE/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/dozens-protesters-arrested-... you don't arrest legal protesters, that's you know legal. You do arrest, or defer (in the city that had the infamous CHAZ/CHOP) arrest people breaking the law.

ogre_codes 6y ago

Don't need to bother with any of that. Much like the bonehead who did a selfie after breaking into a mansion, most of these guys are publicly posting their participation.

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troydavis 6y ago

The article addresses that in detail, but basically, this is people posting photos and videos of themselves there. In some cases, the photos were geotagged. As the article says: > With all of that said, however, the DC Metropolitan Police and the FBI will probably need to look no further than a cursory Google search to identify many of the leaders of Wednesday's insurrection, as many of them took to social media both before and after the event to brag about it in detail. In short: you don't need fancy facial recognition tools to identify people who livestream their crimes.

ehsankia 6y ago
All of that is also mostly irrelevant, the capitol is plastered with cameras anyways.

bpodgursky 6y ago

Only about 5% of published objections to any given use of this technology is grounded in real principle. 95% is situational based on which "side" will be tactically punished by the usage. (Everyone will inevitably try to hedge their hedges with "But this situation is different/worse/xyz, it doesn't change the root objections. Elephant leading the rider.)

IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
The article really has nothing to do with face recognition. And in general, I'm having trouble coming up with any scenario or example where one "side" would see disproportionate impact from face recognition? Aside, that is, from the well-known generic problems with the criminal justice system. As such your imaginary 5 % isn't just too low or too high... I don't think there is any realistic way for your argument to be anything more than some so-so story your brain came up with given a bunch of prior believes.

slumdev 6y ago

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1347015745851555842 https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1347015745851555842

nikolay 6y ago

Suddenly, all that China does is good. I keep hearing more and more how good the mass surveillance with the Social Credit System in China is a good thing!

gameswithgo 6y ago
you havent been hearing shit
- nikolay 6y ago
  So, suddenly, you're eavesdropping (too!) on my ears to speak with such arrogant authority of what I've been hearing and what not? Yes, I've been hearing that - from the handling of the pandemic to reducing crime due to the social credit score!

tyrust 6y ago

>about the very same thing It's not about the same thing. This article is about publicly visible people that advertised their actions in a way that was tied to their name. The article you posted is actually about facial recognition.

Rebelgecko 6y ago

You don't need facial recognition when you can go to duckduckgo and search for "QAnon guy with horns" and get his stage name, legal name, and city of residence. That sort of targeted investigation is a lot more palatable to me than the sort of dragnet surveillance that people normally thing of when you mention looking at faces and GPS

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IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago

Well.. they are all white, so the algorithms would actually work. But no: nobody who previously advocated against, say, running face detection on random CCTV feeds has changed their position, as far as I can tell.

ta2987 6y ago

These are terrorists, not protestors.

sharkjacobs 6y ago

If you think the only difference between these two stories is the tone then you didn't read them very carefully, or you're trying to draw a false equivalence between the people involved > The ACLU in June filed a complaint against the Detroit police, alleging the department arrested the wrong man based on a flawed, incomplete match provided by facial recognition software. In the wake of the ACLU's complaint, Detroit Police Chief James Craig admitted that the software his agency uses misidentifies suspects 96 percent of the time. > DC Metropolitan Police and the FBI will probably need to look no further than a cursory Google search to identify many of the leaders of Wednesday's insurrection, as many of them took to social media both before and after the event to brag about it in detail. In short: you don't need fancy facial recognition tools to identify people who livestream their crimes

op00to 6y ago

Can you not tell the difference between insurrectionist, peaceful protestors, and rioters? Are you they mentally dim?