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Why is everything an IDE? I don't want an integrated development environment - I want a modular one. And as one of those modules, I would love a simple, lightwe

Why is everything an IDE? I don't want an integrated development environment - I want a modular one. And as one of those modules, I would love a simple, lightweight code editor. UTF-8 only, auto-indent, a file list column, a good find-in-page feature, and file type dependent syntax highlighting and multi-line comment key. That's all I need. It seems I am always stuck between bloated IDEs (or bloated text editors like VSCode and Atom) or painfully low-featured ones like notepad or nano.

jerf 6y ago
You seem to be spec'ing either vim or emacs, there.
- protonfish 6y ago
  Sorry, I guess I didn't know I had to include "and without a completely unnecessary non-standard interface that requires a massive learning curve to get started." as a feature.
  - jerf 6y ago
    Well, if you want all the things, you're going to end up at "write your own", it seems. If you can't find yourself a text editor, of all the things programmers love to write to scratch their own itches and which we have coming out of our metaphorical collective ears....
jjice 6y ago
There are plenty of mid-level editors out there. Sounds like Notepad++ and Sublime Text are up you alley. Also, it depends what you mean by bloated, but VS Code can be stripped down to work just like the two I listed above. Language servers aren't required by any means. If you're looking for sub 50MB ram usage, then stick to the two above and search for "Sublime Text alternative" and I'm sure you'll find more equivalents than you ever wanted.
- protonfish 6y ago
  I've used Notepad++ and Sublime Text and like them a lot, but I could really use something that can run on a Raspberry Pi too. I guess I should have included that. Being able to use a single text editor across platforms would be terrific. I prefer Atom.io over VSCode for simplicity. It's much closer to working the way I want out-of-the-box. There's so much junk I have to disable in VSCode to get it where I like.
  - Avshalom 6y ago
    https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Gedit https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Gedit
  - abeyer 6y ago
    There's been talk about work on a build of sublime for arm64 -- I think if you poke around on their forums there was a link or contact to get a beta copy for licensed users.
  - aivarannamaa 6y ago
    Geany is cross-platform and runs on RPi
bird_monster 6y ago
Seems like you want vim or emacs? Why is more tools a problem?
agumonkey 6y ago
and old book about unix describes it as such. each individual program is its own module, fs to link them (files or pipe)
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valec 6y ago
I would recommend micro editor then (https://micro-editor.github.io/ https://micro-editor.github.io/). It's like a souped-up and much nicer to use nano. It supports syntax-highlighting out of the box, auto-indents, etc. I think you might like it :)
disconcision 6y ago
Do you feel most beginners would agree with you?
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madhadron 6y ago
gEdit? Kate? jEdit? One of those might fit your needs.
MarcScott 6y ago
You have heard of vim and emacs haven't you?
jussij 6y ago
You have basically described the Zeus Lite editor. However it only runs on Windows :(
samatman 6y ago
While there are a lot of options, I'd guess you'd really like JED. I'm serious, give it a spin, it's underrated.
z3t4 6y ago
Wait, how would the editor be able to auto-indent Python code!? Since python is white space sensitive and don't have "end" or } to mark the end of a block.
- mixmastamyk 6y ago
  Like every editor. Colon, new line, indent. Statements, backspace dedent.
tejtm 6y ago
That sounds a lot like Geany https://www.geany.org/ https://www.geany.org/ I see it more as an good modular editor that they dressed up as an IDE cause that is what the people say they want.
qwerty456127 6y ago
I would also prefer a good editor (rather than an IDE), if only it had really intelligent context-aware autocompletion and would let me rename variables/classes/etc reliably (without using dumb search-and-replace).
mixmastamyk 6y ago
Geany and micro complement each other nicely as the CUA keybindings match.

jerf 6y ago

You seem to be spec'ing either vim or emacs, there.

protonfish 6y ago
Sorry, I guess I didn't know I had to include "and without a completely unnecessary non-standard interface that requires a massive learning curve to get started." as a feature.
- jerf 6y ago
  Well, if you want all the things, you're going to end up at "write your own", it seems. If you can't find yourself a text editor, of all the things programmers love to write to scratch their own itches and which we have coming out of our metaphorical collective ears....

jjice 6y ago

There are plenty of mid-level editors out there. Sounds like Notepad++ and Sublime Text are up you alley. Also, it depends what you mean by bloated, but VS Code can be stripped down to work just like the two I listed above. Language servers aren't required by any means. If you're looking for sub 50MB ram usage, then stick to the two above and search for "Sublime Text alternative" and I'm sure you'll find more equivalents than you ever wanted.

protonfish 6y ago
I've used Notepad++ and Sublime Text and like them a lot, but I could really use something that can run on a Raspberry Pi too. I guess I should have included that. Being able to use a single text editor across platforms would be terrific. I prefer Atom.io over VSCode for simplicity. It's much closer to working the way I want out-of-the-box. There's so much junk I have to disable in VSCode to get it where I like.
- Avshalom 6y ago
  https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Gedit https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Gedit
- abeyer 6y ago
  There's been talk about work on a build of sublime for arm64 -- I think if you poke around on their forums there was a link or contact to get a beta copy for licensed users.
- aivarannamaa 6y ago
  Geany is cross-platform and runs on RPi

bird_monster 6y ago

Seems like you want vim or emacs? Why is more tools a problem?

agumonkey 6y ago

and old book about unix describes it as such. each individual program is its own module, fs to link them (files or pipe)

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valec 6y ago

I would recommend micro editor then (https://micro-editor.github.io/ https://micro-editor.github.io/). It's like a souped-up and much nicer to use nano. It supports syntax-highlighting out of the box, auto-indents, etc. I think you might like it :)

disconcision 6y ago

Do you feel most beginners would agree with you?

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madhadron 6y ago

gEdit? Kate? jEdit? One of those might fit your needs.

MarcScott 6y ago

You have heard of vim and emacs haven't you?

jussij 6y ago

You have basically described the Zeus Lite editor. However it only runs on Windows :(

samatman 6y ago

While there are a lot of options, I'd guess you'd really like JED. I'm serious, give it a spin, it's underrated.

z3t4 6y ago

Wait, how would the editor be able to auto-indent Python code!? Since python is white space sensitive and don't have "end" or } to mark the end of a block.

mixmastamyk 6y ago
Like every editor. Colon, new line, indent. Statements, backspace dedent.

tejtm 6y ago

That sounds a lot like Geany https://www.geany.org/ https://www.geany.org/ I see it more as an good modular editor that they dressed up as an IDE cause that is what the people say they want.

qwerty456127 6y ago

I would also prefer a good editor (rather than an IDE), if only it had really intelligent context-aware autocompletion and would let me rename variables/classes/etc reliably (without using dumb search-and-replace).

mixmastamyk 6y ago

Geany and micro complement each other nicely as the CUA keybindings match.