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when all mainstream news are heavily biased in favor of one political party and spread blatant misinformation, you need an alternative as a counterbalance and

when all mainstream news are heavily biased in favor of one political party and spread blatant misinformation, you need an alternative as a counterbalance and source of truth. the fact people don't even notice, or choose to ignore the bias in mainstream media is beyond me.

hobs 6y ago
Fox News is already amazingly biased and censured world wide - claiming you need even worse liars to help you feel better about "balance" makes no sense.
- bra-ket 6y ago
  Fox is drown in liberal propaganda just like other corporate media. The only alternative now is DailyWire with its uncompromising conservative stance.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    You posted the same thing (almost word for word) five posts upthread. Just repeating yourself is not a convincing argument. It might be a decent propaganda technique, but it's a lousy argument.
    - bra-ket 6y ago
      i'll repeat myself as many times as my words are flagged and hidden.
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        That's OK. I get a new "flag" button on every post you make... (Also, those of us who have "showdead" turned on can see your posts, even after they're flagged. That's how I knew you were repeating yourself.)
        bra-ket 6y ago
        never noticed that option, it's not a default though, thanks for the tip.
        AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        OK, to those who downvoted the parent: I understand the temptation to downvote everything someone says when you disagree strongly with them on some point, but there is nothing in the parent post that deserves your downvotes. Downvote the post; not the person.
  - tomrod 6y ago
    This is incorrect. Fox continues to maintain a conservative view. DailyWire and similar are radical right, which maps fairly cleanly to Nationalism, Fascism, and similar. That's if you are using the commonly received connotation of conservative, rather than trying to rewrite reality. My $0.02.
    - bra-ket 6y ago
      'fascism' these days is something you accuse your opponent of when you've lost the argument, the word lost any meaning due to overuse.
      - tomrod 6y ago
        Or, it's a coherent philosophy of corporate ownership of the economy directed by government dictate, as it has been known since long before your identified method of deflection.
        bra-ket 6y ago
        woah, that's a mouthful. My grandpa fought fascists and I never heard any of these fancy words from him.
        tomrod 6y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#False_authority https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#Fals... Your lack of understanding or stubbornness aside, if your grandfather fought actual fascists it is doubtful he defined the term. All that is immaterial, of course, to your current incorrect claim that Fox News somehow became liberal recently, which I can only assume is established in your view by the idea that Trump presently dislikes them.
        paradox242 6y ago
        > corporate ownership of the economy directed by government dictate Your "explanation" contains a contradiction, so you're not off to a great start here. If the economy or corporations are directed by government dictate, they don't really own anything in a meaningful sense. In this arrangement they are more like managers than owners. If you disagree, ask yourself if any corporation really has another option other to comply if one of their decisions is countermanded by the state. There is a reason it is named after the Fasces, a symbol of authority borne by a Lictor through the streets of Rome ahead of Tribunes and other officials with authority (okay, granted that this term and symbolism is decidedly Italian, fascism will always feature symbols distinct to each nation). The essence of fascism is power. A fascist believes this power comes from unity (another reason the Fasces is a chosen symbol, as it contains a bundle of sticks that when bound together cannot be easily broken) and so the subordination of the individual and every institution to state power is the cornerstone of their policy. You seem to misrepresent the primacy of economics in fascist ideology, perhaps confusing this with Syndicalism, which Mussolini was involved with early in his political career. Fascism is something else. While it incorporates the subordination of the economy to the state, above this it values ethics of action, a willingness to commit violence against its enemies, courage, and obedience to authority. It is inherently anti-democratic, authoritarian and totalitarian. It will not tolerate internal rivals or dissent. It always features a leader who rules as dictator and to my knowledge has never succeeded in a stable transfer of power once that leader dies. It has often been linked to the Romantic period as so much of fascist ideology is based on emotion, feeling, symbolic mysticism, and the irrational. It's politics can be seen as a reaction to the ultra-rational basis from which Communism claims to descend.
shrimp_emoji 6y ago
It's attractive to ignore it because "reality has a well-known liberal bias". Politics are not created equal. Conservatives are observably less educated than liberals: look at the demographics. That said, any bias (including corporate influence) is worse than an agnostic information reporting machine (which C-SPAN or the BBC approach best).
- cltby 6y ago
  Education is indeed becoming the dividing line between left and right all over the world. Sadly, it is because the scope of "education" has been expanded to include subjects with no intellectual content.
  - namlem 6y ago
    Such as?
    - bra-ket 6y ago
      safe spaces, gender studies, wokeness certificates, virtue signaling workshops, degrees in conformity & groupthink. read William Dereshevitz' "Excellent Sheep", it's the best book on the subject.
  - gurkendoktor 6y ago
    Mhm, there have always been soft sciences (sorry MBAs). I agree that education is becoming a major dividing line, but in my opinion that's because the "left" is moving towards elitism, whereas the "right" is slowly embracing populism. "Only dummies vote for the others" is just a snobby way of saying "we lost the working class".

hobs 6y ago

Fox News is already amazingly biased and censured world wide - claiming you need even worse liars to help you feel better about "balance" makes no sense.

bra-ket 6y ago
Fox is drown in liberal propaganda just like other corporate media. The only alternative now is DailyWire with its uncompromising conservative stance.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  You posted the same thing (almost word for word) five posts upthread. Just repeating yourself is not a convincing argument. It might be a decent propaganda technique, but it's a lousy argument.
  - bra-ket 6y ago
    i'll repeat myself as many times as my words are flagged and hidden.
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      That's OK. I get a new "flag" button on every post you make... (Also, those of us who have "showdead" turned on can see your posts, even after they're flagged. That's how I knew you were repeating yourself.)
      - bra-ket 6y ago
        never noticed that option, it's not a default though, thanks for the tip.
        AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        OK, to those who downvoted the parent: I understand the temptation to downvote everything someone says when you disagree strongly with them on some point, but there is nothing in the parent post that deserves your downvotes. Downvote the post; not the person.
- tomrod 6y ago
  This is incorrect. Fox continues to maintain a conservative view. DailyWire and similar are radical right, which maps fairly cleanly to Nationalism, Fascism, and similar. That's if you are using the commonly received connotation of conservative, rather than trying to rewrite reality. My $0.02.
  - bra-ket 6y ago
    'fascism' these days is something you accuse your opponent of when you've lost the argument, the word lost any meaning due to overuse.
    - tomrod 6y ago
      Or, it's a coherent philosophy of corporate ownership of the economy directed by government dictate, as it has been known since long before your identified method of deflection.
      - bra-ket 6y ago
        woah, that's a mouthful. My grandpa fought fascists and I never heard any of these fancy words from him.
        tomrod 6y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#False_authority https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#Fals... Your lack of understanding or stubbornness aside, if your grandfather fought actual fascists it is doubtful he defined the term. All that is immaterial, of course, to your current incorrect claim that Fox News somehow became liberal recently, which I can only assume is established in your view by the idea that Trump presently dislikes them.
      - paradox242 6y ago
        > corporate ownership of the economy directed by government dictate Your "explanation" contains a contradiction, so you're not off to a great start here. If the economy or corporations are directed by government dictate, they don't really own anything in a meaningful sense. In this arrangement they are more like managers than owners. If you disagree, ask yourself if any corporation really has another option other to comply if one of their decisions is countermanded by the state. There is a reason it is named after the Fasces, a symbol of authority borne by a Lictor through the streets of Rome ahead of Tribunes and other officials with authority (okay, granted that this term and symbolism is decidedly Italian, fascism will always feature symbols distinct to each nation). The essence of fascism is power. A fascist believes this power comes from unity (another reason the Fasces is a chosen symbol, as it contains a bundle of sticks that when bound together cannot be easily broken) and so the subordination of the individual and every institution to state power is the cornerstone of their policy. You seem to misrepresent the primacy of economics in fascist ideology, perhaps confusing this with Syndicalism, which Mussolini was involved with early in his political career. Fascism is something else. While it incorporates the subordination of the economy to the state, above this it values ethics of action, a willingness to commit violence against its enemies, courage, and obedience to authority. It is inherently anti-democratic, authoritarian and totalitarian. It will not tolerate internal rivals or dissent. It always features a leader who rules as dictator and to my knowledge has never succeeded in a stable transfer of power once that leader dies. It has often been linked to the Romantic period as so much of fascist ideology is based on emotion, feeling, symbolic mysticism, and the irrational. It's politics can be seen as a reaction to the ultra-rational basis from which Communism claims to descend.

shrimp_emoji 6y ago

It's attractive to ignore it because "reality has a well-known liberal bias". Politics are not created equal. Conservatives are observably less educated than liberals: look at the demographics. That said, any bias (including corporate influence) is worse than an agnostic information reporting machine (which C-SPAN or the BBC approach best).

cltby 6y ago
Education is indeed becoming the dividing line between left and right all over the world. Sadly, it is because the scope of "education" has been expanded to include subjects with no intellectual content.
- namlem 6y ago
  Such as?
  - bra-ket 6y ago
    safe spaces, gender studies, wokeness certificates, virtue signaling workshops, degrees in conformity & groupthink. read William Dereshevitz' "Excellent Sheep", it's the best book on the subject.
- gurkendoktor 6y ago
  Mhm, there have always been soft sciences (sorry MBAs). I agree that education is becoming a major dividing line, but in my opinion that's because the "left" is moving towards elitism, whereas the "right" is slowly embracing populism. "Only dummies vote for the others" is just a snobby way of saying "we lost the working class".