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Shopify pulls Donald Trump stores off its platform
- mc32 6y agoWhat? Is the merchandise rioting now? This is idiotic and is a non sequitur to the unadvised happenings at the Capitol. This is a political statement that says only some political views are acceptable and others are not approved. It’s so blatant.
- cecja 6y agoIf there is shit in front of your doorstep you sweep it away. For some people shit smells like roses but that is their problem.
- type0 6y agoHas he violated their terms of service?
- mc32 6y agoGood question. I think you mean “they”. I wonder what terms those would be?
- gdgdhdushhd 6y agoShopify doesn't allow organizations that promote or incite violence. Should have done long time ago.
- mc32 6y agoDoes the org selling the paraphernalia incite violence? Does music with violent or misogynistic lyrics incite violence. Do songs with gunshots in them incite violence? Do songs that make people think of suicide constitute violence? Do violent or misogynistic movies or videos incite violence? So much potential for removal and delisting!! Chomp, chomp.
- cecja 6y ago...but think about the neonazi children they have to buy their hats somewhere.
- RL_Quine 6y agoAre you saying that companies should be forced to do business with parties they don't want to?
- abernard1 6y ago"Isn't there some other restaurant you people can go to?"
- gambiting 6y agoThis is a business relation between two companies, not a company refusing to sell to minorities. It doesn't enjoy nor should it enjoy the same protection. Being able to do business with whoever you chose to is the cornerstone of business everywhere.
- abernard1 6y agoI'm sorry, but they're exactly the same. In the South, racists didn't want to do business with black people, and the government intervened and said they had to. There are many other protected classes, it's just politics isn't one of them. We have not had anything remotely like the ability "to do business with whoever you chose" for 55 years in the U.S. because of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. What people supporting this are implicitly saying is they don't think political affiliation is or should be a civil right.
- libraryatnight 6y agoThe line seems blurry https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/jun/04/gay-cake-ruling-supreme-court-same-sex-wedding-colorado-baker-decision-latest https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/jun/04/gay-cake-ruling-... Also, this seems like a valid terms of service breech. Is the choice to uphold it an excuse to make a statement? I think probably.
- abernard1 6y agoPart of having a liberal society, as opposed to a strictly libertarian society, is that the larger social contract of law overrides any contract between two individuals. I, for instance, cannot sell myself into slavery. Shopify cannot have terms of service in a contract that violate federal law. The whole concern with terms of service on HN just convinces me that the practitioners need to get out more. They should also quit foisting some weird conception of software onto society. Irrespective, the objective fact that there are many ironclad things business cannot discriminate on is true and has been for a long time. Simply put, Shopify believes they should be able to discriminate against people for holding political views.
- gdgdhdushhd 6y agoWhat if it was ISIS store? Would you say same things?
- zanellato19 6y ago> This is a political statement that says only some political views are acceptable and others are not approved. That has been the case since forever. White supremacy gets you banned from sites, for example, and that is a political stance. What is the difference between that and whats happening here?
- mc32 6y agoOne is an extremist group just like ISIS or the weather underground, the other is a mainstream political party?
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- amanaplanacanal 6y agoNah. Even his own party is calling him out.
- mc32 6y agoSo? It doesn’t make them right. We’re going on principles here. Politicians go on what’s expedient.
- amanaplanacanal 6y agoYou said mainstream. If even his own party thinks he is extreme, I don’t know what to say.
- mc32 6y agoI don’t see the disconnect. The store sells merchandise. It’s not selling riot gear or items taken from the ill advised occupation. I don’t know if anything the store sells which is controversial. Even Snowden and Greenwald people the left admired when expedient, disagree with how social media is tripping over itself to seem pious. All these media who are virtue signaling have awful offenders on their sites. They don’t care. They only care if it makes them look virtuous. Glenn and Edward are on the left politically but they are honest leftists who see the idiocy behind these moves. The utter and disgusting loss of the freedom of speech among Americans.
- lurker9382 6y agowow, looks like shopify doesn't want my business anymore. time to migrate over 12 stores with a pretty high revenue away from shopify, after all, the personal is political.
- sg47 6y agoPlease do. No one needs your business at the cost of democracy.
- ChrisLomont 6y agoNew account for this?
- evgen 6y agoYou won't be missed by shopify and if you decided to do the same here would we not miss you either. You could even take your sock-puppet account with you along with your real account.
- moritzwolf 6y agoGreat move. Some might argue that this bans some political views. And it does. It bans anti-democratic and anti-scientific views. Which is great. We don’t need another Hitler.
- devwastaken 6y agoReminder: businesses can decide what they want to sell, people can also decide to criticise them for it. Given the circumstances this is a good business move. Twitter and Facebook have distanced from trump, and the riots are filled with trump merchandise.
- zarkov99 6y agoCan they? Imagine a christian baker who refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding, is it ok? What about a racist baker who only makes cakes for say black people? Or just white people?
- namlem 6y agoRace, gender, religion, and sexual orientation are protected classes. Anything that is not a protected class is fair game.
- esja 6y agoLegally, but not necessarily morally.
- devwastaken 6y agoYou should do a lot more research on this topic before talking about it. People do not choose a sexual orientation, nor do they choose the color of their skin. Discrimination for natural factors is the antithesis of America. All men are created equal, common welfare, etc. Believing in a rigged election is up to the whims of an individual. The same as how believing violence is an acceptable answer is the whims of the individual. Those are perfectly discriminatable factors, and rightfully so. Also, for reference, legally yes a cake shop can choose to not make cakes for any reason.
- ofrzeta 6y agoAn individual does not choose to be stupid, though.
- alchemist2 6y agoThis move surprised me. I’ve listened to almost every podcast Tobi Lutke has been featured in. Tobi Lutke has spoken in podcasts about the power dynamic at his company; he has more security than his employees due to his position at CEO. He said it bothered him. Statements were made during the same conversation about power dynamics with big tech making political value judgment calls; it seemed he didn’t agree that tech should make all the calls on what speech is allowed. Now this. Maybe it’s because it involves a sitting president so this is okay for them to make a value judgment on. Even though small businesses promoting violence in other ways is acceptance on their platform.
- tibbydudeza 6y agoOh no , there goes my chance for a limited Edition 45 MAGA hat and scarf :(.
- heshiebee 6y agoShopify has joined the virtue signaling game.
- raxxorrax 6y agoWell, it is Canada.
- wtfiswiththis 6y agoPlease take a moment to understand the facts of yesterday: There was a Republican effort to contest the electoral tally results at the Capitol building. Down the street, hours before this Trump held a rally where Rudy Giuliani and others incited followers to subject their enemies to "trial by combat." One hour before the tally started Trump took the stage and riled his crowd up. Shortly after 1pm he told them to march to the Capitol building up the street to confront "weak" Republicans so they could make "the right choice." Within minutes his mob was storming the building. This was cold calculated sedition. If contesting the results wasn't going to work he intended his mob to make it work by intimidating "weak" Republicans. Instead it made most of the ones contesting drop out of the effort. Shopify can drop Donald like a sack of bricks because -sedition- -treason-. These are not light words to throw around. But no one forced Trump, his family, and the GOP to take things this far. No one forced them to lie to their followers until they were radicalized and primed for riots and seditious behavior. Please don't defend this as-if it was just another political game. Companies don't have a requirement to be involved in this. You are going to see a lot of people and corporations float as far away as possible from Trump and co and it has nothing to do with culture war garbage. There was sedition yesterday and it has been fostered institutionally by certain persons and entities, recognize this.
- ossusermivami 6y agoAm I the only who gets blocked by the ad paywall due of nextcloud/pihole blocking it ?