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If pointing an armed and angry mob at the Capitol itself isn't over the line, nothing is. I don't like Facebook and haven't used it in years but this is the rig

If pointing an armed and angry mob at the Capitol itself isn't over the line, nothing is. I don't like Facebook and haven't used it in years but this is the right move. Four people are dead today because they listened to Donald Trump, and FB and Twitter bear some responsibility for handing him that megaphone. Stopping him from calling for further violence is the bare minimum they can do here.

uncoder0 6y ago
I keep seeing 'armed mob' posted everywhere without any evidence. What were they armed with? I watched the whole thing live from many angles and I saw plenty of people doing dumb shit like breaking windows and such. The majority just waltzed in took a tour and walked out. They even obeyed the velvet ropes in the entryway. edit: looks like at least one person was inside the capitol with a firearm and four others were arrested in DC for open carrying firearms.
- Natsu 6y ago
  I've heard a lot of people mentioning the pipe bomb, but that was at the RNC, so I don't know either, I have yet to see anyone substantiate it.
  - DFHippie 6y ago
    Also the DNC.
- inscionent 6y ago
  Don't drown in that kool-aid
  - uncoder0 6y ago
    I'm just talking about what I saw if there is other evidence I'd love to see it.
    - inscionent 6y ago
      Bending over backwards to make excuses for a mob forcibly entering the Capitol, isn't 'just asking' about evidence. What I heard all summer was anything is a weapon, but this guy has a gun and ties. https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/protesters-enter-the-senate-chamber-on-january-06-2021-in-washington-picture-id1294932395?s=2048x2048 https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/protesters-enter-the-se...
      - uncoder0 6y ago
        Good photo. I hadn't see that one yet. He's definitely armed. I was right there with you all summer claiming a group throwing water bottles at police wasn't armed and shouldn't be beaten and shot with rubber bullets.
- maxfurman 6y ago
  "Armed" does not necessarily mean gun-carrying. I saw footage of an individual smashing AP camera gear with a baseball bat, for example. They didn't break those windows with their bare hands.
- mark_and_sweep 6y ago
  There were 5 arrests for firearm offences, a cooler full of molotov cocktails and 2 pipebombs. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/07/ashli-babbitt-woman-shot-and-killed-in-storming-of-us-capitol-named https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/07/ashli-babbit...
  - uncoder0 6y ago
    This is what I was looking for thanks. It does not specify that the firearm offenses were on the capitol and I know a few of them were from people marching while open carrying off the capitol grounds which is illegal under DC law. The molotovs is a tidbit I didn't know about thankfully no one actually used them.
    - tyrust 6y ago
      > I know a few of them were from people marching while open carrying off the capitol grounds which is illegal under DC law If you knew this then why did you ask about whether it was an "armed mob" in the first place?
      - uncoder0 6y ago
        Because they weren't arrested attacking the capitol. I just saw confirmation in this thread that at least one person was arrested with a firearm who had entered the capitol so I corrected my original comment.
- lurker619 6y ago
  How do you feel about this video? https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1347028917685800961 https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1347028917685800961
  - uncoder0 6y ago
    I see a cop get pushed over then helped up by someone in a MAGA hat. I also see some scrumming with the police which is assault. I still don't see any weapons or any use of weapons on police. This scene doesn't look all too different than scenes we've been witness to for the last 6 months since June with protestors clashing with police.
- anoonmoose 6y ago
  It really looks like this guy has a gun holstered on his right hip. But he definitely has a fist full of zip ties and looks prepared for more than a brief tour. Forgive the source, Seth sucks, but the picture is real as far as I know. https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1346977323086729218 https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1346977323086729218
- deathanatos 6y ago
  > They even obeyed the velvet ropes in the entryway. They did not. There was video of protestors both moving the ropes, and there is video of protestors on the opposite sides of the ropes. Both at least in NBC's coverage. (Unfortunately, they've made their coverage private on YouTube, so I lack a link presently.) (Sibling comments cover the "armed" aspect well enough.)
- jbgreer 6y ago
  Here's a list of items that are prohibited on the Capitol grounds, in the Capitol and visitor center, in the buildings and the galleries: https://www.uscp.gov/visiting-capitol-hill/regulations-prohibitions/prohibited-items https://www.uscp.gov/visiting-capitol-hill/regulations-prohi... The gallery list includes: Firearms to include replica guns and ammunition. Weapons, to include, but not limited to, Black jack, sling shot, sand club, sandbag, knuckles, electric stun guns, knives of any size including razors and box cutters, martial arts weapons or devices. Explosives and explosive devices to include, but not limited to, Molotov Cocktails, components of a destructive device, and fireworks. Mace and pepper spray. Aerosol containers. Non-Aerosol spray except for prescribed medical needs. Battery operated electronic devices to include cellular telephones, electronic keys, cameras, video recorders or any type of recording devices. Electronic medical devices are permitted. Cans, bottles, food, and food containers, including all liquids. Creams, lotions, and perfume. Strollers. Briefcases, backpacks, and suitcases of any size
gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
Why aren’t we blaming anyone that died at CHAZ/CHOP on BLM? It’s hard not to see the bending-over-backwards academic justifications for why we shouldn’t be suppressing riots last year as anything other than the pretext and lead up to what’s happening now. I’m not calling legitimate protesting riots - rather the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year. Buildings were burning and government buildings were being swarmed and destroyed. Riots needs to be suppressed with law and order - full stop. Unfortunately many seem 6 months late to this concept.
- uncoder0 6y ago
  Partisan Gamesmanship
- drno123 6y ago
  Exactly. BLM rioters created enormous damage yet I never saw any news that BLM/Antifa are indefinitely blocked from FB.
  - inscionent 6y ago
    Yeah! They should suspended the CEO of ANTIFA from FB, Twitter, Parler, WhatsApp, Telegram, and the Dominos app!
    - cultus 6y ago
      The ANTIFA CEO is sitting in his fortified command center underneath the Appalachian Mountains as we speak, cackling and torturing a Trump supporter to death for not calling xir by the proper pronouns. Our joke of a liberal government is doing nothing to eliminate this dangerous threat to our guns and precious, precious strip malls.
- maxfurman 6y ago
  This is whataboutism. Trump organized the rally that became the riot, he told them himself to march to the Capitol. He is responsible for what happened after that.

uncoder0 6y ago

I keep seeing 'armed mob' posted everywhere without any evidence. What were they armed with? I watched the whole thing live from many angles and I saw plenty of people doing dumb shit like breaking windows and such. The majority just waltzed in took a tour and walked out. They even obeyed the velvet ropes in the entryway. edit: looks like at least one person was inside the capitol with a firearm and four others were arrested in DC for open carrying firearms.

Natsu 6y ago
I've heard a lot of people mentioning the pipe bomb, but that was at the RNC, so I don't know either, I have yet to see anyone substantiate it.
- DFHippie 6y ago
  Also the DNC.
inscionent 6y ago
Don't drown in that kool-aid
- uncoder0 6y ago
  I'm just talking about what I saw if there is other evidence I'd love to see it.
  - inscionent 6y ago
    Bending over backwards to make excuses for a mob forcibly entering the Capitol, isn't 'just asking' about evidence. What I heard all summer was anything is a weapon, but this guy has a gun and ties. https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/protesters-enter-the-senate-chamber-on-january-06-2021-in-washington-picture-id1294932395?s=2048x2048 https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/protesters-enter-the-se...
    - uncoder0 6y ago
      Good photo. I hadn't see that one yet. He's definitely armed. I was right there with you all summer claiming a group throwing water bottles at police wasn't armed and shouldn't be beaten and shot with rubber bullets.
maxfurman 6y ago
"Armed" does not necessarily mean gun-carrying. I saw footage of an individual smashing AP camera gear with a baseball bat, for example. They didn't break those windows with their bare hands.
mark_and_sweep 6y ago
There were 5 arrests for firearm offences, a cooler full of molotov cocktails and 2 pipebombs. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/07/ashli-babbitt-woman-shot-and-killed-in-storming-of-us-capitol-named https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/07/ashli-babbit...
- uncoder0 6y ago
  This is what I was looking for thanks. It does not specify that the firearm offenses were on the capitol and I know a few of them were from people marching while open carrying off the capitol grounds which is illegal under DC law. The molotovs is a tidbit I didn't know about thankfully no one actually used them.
  - tyrust 6y ago
    > I know a few of them were from people marching while open carrying off the capitol grounds which is illegal under DC law If you knew this then why did you ask about whether it was an "armed mob" in the first place?
    - uncoder0 6y ago
      Because they weren't arrested attacking the capitol. I just saw confirmation in this thread that at least one person was arrested with a firearm who had entered the capitol so I corrected my original comment.
lurker619 6y ago
How do you feel about this video? https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1347028917685800961 https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1347028917685800961
- uncoder0 6y ago
  I see a cop get pushed over then helped up by someone in a MAGA hat. I also see some scrumming with the police which is assault. I still don't see any weapons or any use of weapons on police. This scene doesn't look all too different than scenes we've been witness to for the last 6 months since June with protestors clashing with police.
anoonmoose 6y ago
It really looks like this guy has a gun holstered on his right hip. But he definitely has a fist full of zip ties and looks prepared for more than a brief tour. Forgive the source, Seth sucks, but the picture is real as far as I know. https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1346977323086729218 https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1346977323086729218
deathanatos 6y ago
> They even obeyed the velvet ropes in the entryway. They did not. There was video of protestors both moving the ropes, and there is video of protestors on the opposite sides of the ropes. Both at least in NBC's coverage. (Unfortunately, they've made their coverage private on YouTube, so I lack a link presently.) (Sibling comments cover the "armed" aspect well enough.)
jbgreer 6y ago
Here's a list of items that are prohibited on the Capitol grounds, in the Capitol and visitor center, in the buildings and the galleries: https://www.uscp.gov/visiting-capitol-hill/regulations-prohibitions/prohibited-items https://www.uscp.gov/visiting-capitol-hill/regulations-prohi... The gallery list includes: Firearms to include replica guns and ammunition. Weapons, to include, but not limited to, Black jack, sling shot, sand club, sandbag, knuckles, electric stun guns, knives of any size including razors and box cutters, martial arts weapons or devices. Explosives and explosive devices to include, but not limited to, Molotov Cocktails, components of a destructive device, and fireworks. Mace and pepper spray. Aerosol containers. Non-Aerosol spray except for prescribed medical needs. Battery operated electronic devices to include cellular telephones, electronic keys, cameras, video recorders or any type of recording devices. Electronic medical devices are permitted. Cans, bottles, food, and food containers, including all liquids. Creams, lotions, and perfume. Strollers. Briefcases, backpacks, and suitcases of any size

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago

Why aren’t we blaming anyone that died at CHAZ/CHOP on BLM? It’s hard not to see the bending-over-backwards academic justifications for why we shouldn’t be suppressing riots last year as anything other than the pretext and lead up to what’s happening now. I’m not calling legitimate protesting riots - rather the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year. Buildings were burning and government buildings were being swarmed and destroyed. Riots needs to be suppressed with law and order - full stop. Unfortunately many seem 6 months late to this concept.

uncoder0 6y ago
Partisan Gamesmanship
drno123 6y ago
Exactly. BLM rioters created enormous damage yet I never saw any news that BLM/Antifa are indefinitely blocked from FB.
- inscionent 6y ago
  Yeah! They should suspended the CEO of ANTIFA from FB, Twitter, Parler, WhatsApp, Telegram, and the Dominos app!
  - cultus 6y ago
    The ANTIFA CEO is sitting in his fortified command center underneath the Appalachian Mountains as we speak, cackling and torturing a Trump supporter to death for not calling xir by the proper pronouns. Our joke of a liberal government is doing nothing to eliminate this dangerous threat to our guns and precious, precious strip malls.
maxfurman 6y ago
This is whataboutism. Trump organized the rally that became the riot, he told them himself to march to the Capitol. He is responsible for what happened after that.