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What exactly Trump said to spark this? All information I found is rumors, that he posted a video asking people to respect the police, stop the violence and go h

What exactly Trump said to spark this? All information I found is rumors, that he posted a video asking people to respect the police, stop the violence and go home. Anyone has seen the video and texts in question and can tell me? EDIT: mass downvoting people, seriously? I didn't even defend Trump (or Biden), I asked a question, I am from Brazil and wanted to know what happened.

philk10 6y ago
Claims he won in a landslide and that the people invading the Capitol in Camp Auschwitz t-shirts were special and he loves them
- fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
  Bullshit
  - jeromegv 6y ago
    Nope, he did say exactly that. He felt very special about them and loves them. Transcript and video is not hard to find.
    - fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
      I'm sure he didn't mention "Camp Auschwitz". What is known about that guy anyway? Maybe he is a leftist who wants to warn about fascism. I think Biden and so on showed sympathy to BLM rioters as well. What is wrong with trying to understand people's needs and pains? It's ridiculous how you people twist everything Trump says. It also shows what your "opponents" can expect under your rule. I bet you would put "Camp Auschwitz" guy into your own version of Camp Auschwitz in no time, and you wouldn't even feel bad about it. You don't realize that Socialism is just as murderous, and that is what you people stand for.
  - sidlls 6y ago
    He literally called them special and said that he loved them. As in, he used the words "you're special" and "[I] love you". It's not ambiguous or subject to debate.
    - Supermancho 6y ago
      > He literally called them special and said that he loved them. > he used the words "you're special" and "[I] love you". It's not ambiguous or subject to debate Trump did not select those specific people out for praise ("the people invading the Capitol in Camp Auschwitz t-shirts were special and he loves them" - philk10), which was the implication. philk10's comment is ambiguous, which then goes on a derail about what words were used.
      - sidlls 6y ago
        He didn’t single out any specific group: it was all-inclusive. As in, including those individuals. This isn’t debatable or ambiguous, and it’s disingenuous bordering on willful misunderstanding of how words and language work to suggest otherwise.
        Supermancho 6y ago
        > This isn’t debatable or ambiguous "This" meaning the original point, was stated with an ambiguous point, as described. > it’s disingenuous bordering on willful misunderstanding I laid out the progression, but you are ignoring it with misplaced hubris. That's fine. Good luck with whatever.
        fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
        What is wrong with caring for all people? You people are ridiculous. You claim to be "the good guys", yet betray your hatred for your opponents on every turn. This kind of thing is why you are the enemy and must be fought at all cost. And I don't mean to be put into camps. You can still be cared for, but you must not be given power over other people. Now you won, enjoy your newfound Utopia. I'm glad I don't live in the US, although I fear this will have bad consequences for the rest of the world as well. RIP freedom.
  - boston_clone 6y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcfcTB9-S2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcfcTB9-S2s Here is the video, in all its slurred shame.
    - fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
      Can't watch right now, but I am sure he didn't mention "Camp Auschwitz". Your interpretation is Bullshit.
hasmolo 6y ago
i think the issue is how the video was worded. "please respect the police" and then "you are completely right to be angry, it was stolen. i love you and you're special" the first comment is def a calming attempt, followed by an immediate call to action.
- mdiesel 6y ago
  """I know your pain. I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us — from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election. But we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see the way others are treated — that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel, but go home and go home in peace."""
clydethefrog 6y ago
Transcript and video here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668841
dukeofdoom 6y ago
Here's the video, he called them evil https://tv.gab.com/channel/realdonaldtrump/view/we-have-to-have-peace-5ff62ceaf0a21cb861e2a3d2 https://tv.gab.com/channel/realdonaldtrump/view/we-have-to-h...
kace91 6y ago
The video (if it's yesterday's video you're talking about) started by saying that the election has been stolen, it was a landslide on his favor, yadda yadda, only to end with a variation of "stay peaceful and go home now". it was 20% call to peace and 80% reinforcement of the idea that democracy has been hijacked to get him out.
maxfurman 6y ago
I've seen the video. It says to go home, but it also says that the election was stolen and that Trump won in a landslide. On balance it says more to encourage the mob than calm them down.
- willis936 6y ago
  Especially in the context that the mob walked from a Trump rally where he personally encouraged violence on legislators for taking their victory away. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/how-donald-trump-rally-turned-washington-dc-into-riot-zone/13038448 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/how-donald-trump-rall...
Mg6yDfjp5U 6y ago
I found this page that shows Trump's deleted tweets: https://factba.se/topic/deleted-tweets https://factba.se/topic/deleted-tweets I don't know if the Facebook posts were the same though.
goldenManatee 6y ago
People branding his flags and hats stormed the Capitol walls and Senate floor, as he delayed an eventual reiteration that the elections were rigged, they should be furious, but now they should go home and that he loved them very much and were very special people. There were nooses propped up, people died, and elected officials were bunkered. His close sources also reported that he watched on TV with manic joy at what people were doing in his name. Hence, the ban and mass 11th-hour resignations.
- Supermancho 6y ago
  That's not relevant to the question he asked. > What exactly Trump said to spark this?
  - goldenManatee 6y ago
    No? I did respond with the President’s response, and his response is called fomenting - the reason for the ban in question. > an eventual reiteration that the elections were rigged, they should be furious, but now they should go home and that he loved them very much and were very special people
    - Supermancho 6y ago
      Maybe add an attribution <quote> -Trump, otherwise it looks like the random ramblings he goes on.
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chemeng 6y ago
Everyone is replying about the videos online or after the fact. What I believe the large media outlets are referring to when they reference "inciting" is his words at protest rally he held earlier in the day at which suggested that supporters should march over to the capital. This is after weeks of previous remarks trying to delegitimize the election and suggesting someone should stop "them" from stealing the election.
jcranmer 6y ago
I don't have the exact words in front of me, but his speech prior to the mob occupying Congress exhorted them to march to Congress. Given the context of the sedition that happened afterwards, the speech may have crossed the line set by Brandenburg v Ohio of incitement to "imminent lawless action" [1]. I believe during the same speech, he also criticized the Vice President for following his Constitutional obligations instead of (as the President would prefer) taking unilateral decisions to throw the vote to Trump instead. [1] To be clear, the test in Brandenburg v Ohio is a test of whether or not the government can make the speech outright illegal to speak. This is necessarily a very high bar, and it is much higher in the US than most countries in the world. The bar for whether or not private individuals and organizations should feel compelled to disassociate from an individual is clearly lower. That one can seriously entertain that the President's speech is surpassing the high bar of outright illegal speech should indicate how reasonable it is for others to consider it beyond the pale.
sleepydog 6y ago
By "this" do you mean the bans on facebook or twitter? I saw the video he posted on twitter, he said something like please be peaceful, please respect our police, we had a beautiful landslide victory that was taken from us, it was stolen i know, but you have to go home now, you're special and we love you but you have to go home. I'm specifically not using quotation marks because I'm recalling it from memory. I'm sure you can find a backup of it somewhere. If you're asking about what sparked the actual attack, Trump specifically told a crowd at a nearby rally to march on the capitol before the event. He's also been saying the election was stolen for the past two months every time he's gotten in front of a microphone.

philk10 6y ago

Claims he won in a landslide and that the people invading the Capitol in Camp Auschwitz t-shirts were special and he loves them

fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
Bullshit
- jeromegv 6y ago
  Nope, he did say exactly that. He felt very special about them and loves them. Transcript and video is not hard to find.
  - fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
    I'm sure he didn't mention "Camp Auschwitz". What is known about that guy anyway? Maybe he is a leftist who wants to warn about fascism. I think Biden and so on showed sympathy to BLM rioters as well. What is wrong with trying to understand people's needs and pains? It's ridiculous how you people twist everything Trump says. It also shows what your "opponents" can expect under your rule. I bet you would put "Camp Auschwitz" guy into your own version of Camp Auschwitz in no time, and you wouldn't even feel bad about it. You don't realize that Socialism is just as murderous, and that is what you people stand for.
- sidlls 6y ago
  He literally called them special and said that he loved them. As in, he used the words "you're special" and "[I] love you". It's not ambiguous or subject to debate.
  - Supermancho 6y ago
    > He literally called them special and said that he loved them. > he used the words "you're special" and "[I] love you". It's not ambiguous or subject to debate Trump did not select those specific people out for praise ("the people invading the Capitol in Camp Auschwitz t-shirts were special and he loves them" - philk10), which was the implication. philk10's comment is ambiguous, which then goes on a derail about what words were used.
    - sidlls 6y ago
      He didn’t single out any specific group: it was all-inclusive. As in, including those individuals. This isn’t debatable or ambiguous, and it’s disingenuous bordering on willful misunderstanding of how words and language work to suggest otherwise.
      - Supermancho 6y ago
        > This isn’t debatable or ambiguous "This" meaning the original point, was stated with an ambiguous point, as described. > it’s disingenuous bordering on willful misunderstanding I laid out the progression, but you are ignoring it with misplaced hubris. That's fine. Good luck with whatever.
      - fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
        What is wrong with caring for all people? You people are ridiculous. You claim to be "the good guys", yet betray your hatred for your opponents on every turn. This kind of thing is why you are the enemy and must be fought at all cost. And I don't mean to be put into camps. You can still be cared for, but you must not be given power over other people. Now you won, enjoy your newfound Utopia. I'm glad I don't live in the US, although I fear this will have bad consequences for the rest of the world as well. RIP freedom.
- boston_clone 6y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcfcTB9-S2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcfcTB9-S2s Here is the video, in all its slurred shame.
  - fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
    Can't watch right now, but I am sure he didn't mention "Camp Auschwitz". Your interpretation is Bullshit.

hasmolo 6y ago

i think the issue is how the video was worded. "please respect the police" and then "you are completely right to be angry, it was stolen. i love you and you're special" the first comment is def a calming attempt, followed by an immediate call to action.

mdiesel 6y ago
"""I know your pain. I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us — from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election. But we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You see the way others are treated — that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel, but go home and go home in peace."""

clydethefrog 6y ago

Transcript and video here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25668841

dukeofdoom 6y ago

Here's the video, he called them evil https://tv.gab.com/channel/realdonaldtrump/view/we-have-to-have-peace-5ff62ceaf0a21cb861e2a3d2 https://tv.gab.com/channel/realdonaldtrump/view/we-have-to-h...

kace91 6y ago

The video (if it's yesterday's video you're talking about) started by saying that the election has been stolen, it was a landslide on his favor, yadda yadda, only to end with a variation of "stay peaceful and go home now". it was 20% call to peace and 80% reinforcement of the idea that democracy has been hijacked to get him out.

maxfurman 6y ago

I've seen the video. It says to go home, but it also says that the election was stolen and that Trump won in a landslide. On balance it says more to encourage the mob than calm them down.

willis936 6y ago
Especially in the context that the mob walked from a Trump rally where he personally encouraged violence on legislators for taking their victory away. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/how-donald-trump-rally-turned-washington-dc-into-riot-zone/13038448 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-07/how-donald-trump-rall...

Mg6yDfjp5U 6y ago

I found this page that shows Trump's deleted tweets: https://factba.se/topic/deleted-tweets https://factba.se/topic/deleted-tweets I don't know if the Facebook posts were the same though.

goldenManatee 6y ago

People branding his flags and hats stormed the Capitol walls and Senate floor, as he delayed an eventual reiteration that the elections were rigged, they should be furious, but now they should go home and that he loved them very much and were very special people. There were nooses propped up, people died, and elected officials were bunkered. His close sources also reported that he watched on TV with manic joy at what people were doing in his name. Hence, the ban and mass 11th-hour resignations.

Supermancho 6y ago
That's not relevant to the question he asked. > What exactly Trump said to spark this?
- goldenManatee 6y ago
  No? I did respond with the President’s response, and his response is called fomenting - the reason for the ban in question. > an eventual reiteration that the elections were rigged, they should be furious, but now they should go home and that he loved them very much and were very special people
  - Supermancho 6y ago
    Maybe add an attribution <quote> -Trump, otherwise it looks like the random ramblings he goes on.

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chemeng 6y ago

Everyone is replying about the videos online or after the fact. What I believe the large media outlets are referring to when they reference "inciting" is his words at protest rally he held earlier in the day at which suggested that supporters should march over to the capital. This is after weeks of previous remarks trying to delegitimize the election and suggesting someone should stop "them" from stealing the election.

jcranmer 6y ago

I don't have the exact words in front of me, but his speech prior to the mob occupying Congress exhorted them to march to Congress. Given the context of the sedition that happened afterwards, the speech may have crossed the line set by Brandenburg v Ohio of incitement to "imminent lawless action" [1]. I believe during the same speech, he also criticized the Vice President for following his Constitutional obligations instead of (as the President would prefer) taking unilateral decisions to throw the vote to Trump instead. [1] To be clear, the test in Brandenburg v Ohio is a test of whether or not the government can make the speech outright illegal to speak. This is necessarily a very high bar, and it is much higher in the US than most countries in the world. The bar for whether or not private individuals and organizations should feel compelled to disassociate from an individual is clearly lower. That one can seriously entertain that the President's speech is surpassing the high bar of outright illegal speech should indicate how reasonable it is for others to consider it beyond the pale.

sleepydog 6y ago

By "this" do you mean the bans on facebook or twitter? I saw the video he posted on twitter, he said something like please be peaceful, please respect our police, we had a beautiful landslide victory that was taken from us, it was stolen i know, but you have to go home now, you're special and we love you but you have to go home. I'm specifically not using quotation marks because I'm recalling it from memory. I'm sure you can find a backup of it somewhere. If you're asking about what sparked the actual attack, Trump specifically told a crowd at a nearby rally to march on the capitol before the event. He's also been saying the election was stolen for the past two months every time he's gotten in front of a microphone.