4 ms·

Eh, it's not like "the nerds" can build a better product in terms of UX anyway, and definitely can't market it better. Besides, who says "the nerds" are trustw

Eh, it's not like "the nerds" can build a better product in terms of UX anyway, and definitely can't market it better. Besides, who says "the nerds" are trustworthy anyway? They keep arguing among each other about which operating system or programming language is best, and why should we take their advice when software security vulnerabilities keep being discovered? Not disagreeing with your point - it's become too easy to just randomly click "agree" on any TOS and trade away your privacy/security for convenience - but don't make it an "us vs them" type of thing. To me, this is purely corporate interest being prioritized ahead of public needs because most politicians either have no spine or answer to lobbyists more than the common person.

rubin55 6y ago
What’s wrong with ‘wall’ or ‘irssi’! ;)
MayeulC 6y ago
I'd trust most nerds over most salesmen, but hat's what people do by clicking "I agree". Don't deal with the devil.
- raziel2p 6y ago
  Kind of want to agree, but you're comparing the extremes on both sides. The truth is somewhere in-between, and consider that for mainstream products like WhatsApp or Windows or whatever, the general public never deal with actual salesmen, just word of mouth and marketing.
jimbokun 6y ago
> Eh, it's not like "the nerds" can build a better product in terms of UX anyway, and definitely can't market it better. Um, the original WhatsApp company was pretty much run by nerds, I thought, who made a product with UX so good they organically built a user base so large that FaceBook paid $16 billion for the company?
- 411111111111111 6y ago
  The service even cost money. A chat service for which you paid money to use. That was actually the argument why a lot of people used it, because "if you're paying for it, you know that they don't have shady business practices" The only thing that surprises me is how long this change took. I expected them to do this when they removed the subscription.
  - Leherenn 6y ago
    Wasn't it only after the first year? That meant you could try it for free which is huge for adoption.
- millibar 6y ago
  $19 billion according to wiki :-)
- j780 6y ago
  Then one of the whatsap co-founders initiated the Signal Foundation! See "2018–present" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_%28software%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_%28software%29
dkarl 6y ago
"The nerds" tend to think logically and extrapolate without regard for reasonableness, precedent, or social norms. That makes us pretty bad at a lot of things (and we blow a lot of our credibility that way) but, it turns out, pretty good at predicting how corporations will abuse technology.
z3ncyberpunk 6y ago
those security issues tend to come from managerial shortcomings and pressure to meet arbitrary deadlines despite issues

rubin55 6y ago

What’s wrong with ‘wall’ or ‘irssi’! ;)

MayeulC 6y ago

I'd trust most nerds over most salesmen, but hat's what people do by clicking "I agree". Don't deal with the devil.

raziel2p 6y ago
Kind of want to agree, but you're comparing the extremes on both sides. The truth is somewhere in-between, and consider that for mainstream products like WhatsApp or Windows or whatever, the general public never deal with actual salesmen, just word of mouth and marketing.

jimbokun 6y ago

> Eh, it's not like "the nerds" can build a better product in terms of UX anyway, and definitely can't market it better. Um, the original WhatsApp company was pretty much run by nerds, I thought, who made a product with UX so good they organically built a user base so large that FaceBook paid $16 billion for the company?

411111111111111 6y ago
The service even cost money. A chat service for which you paid money to use. That was actually the argument why a lot of people used it, because "if you're paying for it, you know that they don't have shady business practices" The only thing that surprises me is how long this change took. I expected them to do this when they removed the subscription.
- Leherenn 6y ago
  Wasn't it only after the first year? That meant you could try it for free which is huge for adoption.
millibar 6y ago
$19 billion according to wiki :-)
j780 6y ago
Then one of the whatsap co-founders initiated the Signal Foundation! See "2018–present" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_%28software%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_%28software%29

dkarl 6y ago

"The nerds" tend to think logically and extrapolate without regard for reasonableness, precedent, or social norms. That makes us pretty bad at a lot of things (and we blow a lot of our credibility that way) but, it turns out, pretty good at predicting how corporations will abuse technology.

z3ncyberpunk 6y ago

those security issues tend to come from managerial shortcomings and pressure to meet arbitrary deadlines despite issues