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> It's absurd to me to hear that people just needed to talk it out more openly! If only someone could nicely tell them the truth! As if all these people were di
by ed25519FUUU 6y ago
> It's absurd to me to hear that people just needed to talk it out more openly! If only someone could nicely tell them the truth! As if all these people were discussing things in good faith and would listen to reality about their conspiracy theories. Must we really coddle and give a voice to dangerous conspiracy theorists that have steadily gotten more and more extreme and violent?
Blue-collar America (manufacturing, middle class) used to be a pretty stalwart blue supporting constituency. Now this group is welcoming populism and is pretty red. We've seen not just jobs but entire INDUSTRIES shipped abroad to the lowest bidder (it's cheaper to make something with slave labor, of course).
You might not care to "listen" but I think they have something interesting to talk about.
- lifeformed 6y agoSure, I'm not saying people who vote republican don't have important issues in mind. But those issues aren't censored - they are mainstream non-partisan talking points. That's all I heard about for the past 6 years, from both parties. It's not exactly taboo to talk about trade. But if a party dilutes their message by embracing conspiracy theories, outlandish lies, bigotry, and authoritarian rhetoric, then what the hell? How is political discussion supposed to be in good faith anymore? If people want to talk to me about trade, they can talk to me about trade on whatever platform they want. I listen to them all the time. If they want to talk to me about how voting machines are rigged by Hugo Chavez, then they're probably not going to say, "oh, your right" when I show them facts that say otherwise.
- caseysoftware 6y agoWhen "let us go back to work, my family is starving and we're going to lose the house!" is characterized as "they just want to get haircuts!" it's worse than censorship. It's mockery of people's suffering. Move down the hierarchy of needs a bit and listen to what people are discussing. It's not trade policy.
- lifeformed 6y agoAgain, that's a mainstream topic that you see everywhere. Everyone is concerned about that, it's not some secret qualm.
- disgruntledphd2 6y agoLets be clear though, those people would have been better supported such that they wouldn't have needed to make a choice between eating and the pandemic if the outgoing Federal government hadn't made such a mess of their response (and refused point blank to support state and local governments who cannot borrow).
- ed25519FUUU 6y agoLocal governments took as much money as they could to shore up their own finances including and especially their payrolls. Props to the food banks and other organizations that did so much with so little.
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- ed25519FUUU 6y ago> If they want to talk to me about how voting machines are rigged by Hugo Chavez Even if you don’t agree with that statement, are you honestly okay with our voting technology being outsourced and owned by a Venezuelan company? I think there’s some sort of “orange man bad” blindness that is getting people to accept things they otherwise would never tolerate.
- wtfiswiththis 6y agoWhat Venezuelan company. Are you OK at home? Because it seems like you are not adhering to reality and may be under the sway of extremist propaganda that was intent on sowing doubt and disinformation among anyone who would give it an ear.
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- jayd16 6y agoWhat does any of that have to do with storming the capital building and attempting to halt the election process? There were no protest signs looking to be heard about this issue or that, only Trump flags, union jacks and maga hats. We're supposed to believe this was a coherent protest for populism and not just sour grapes flamed by the president?
- tremon 6y agounion jacks The national flag of Great Britain?
- tremon 6y agoFine, don't answer the question. I actually checked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack_(disambiguation) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Jack_(disambiguation) before asking, but I still don't get what "union jack" refers to in this context.