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I guess it seems like a surprising view to have (to think that the government should let it run its course)? I mean, the evidence is pretty clear by now isn't

by GlennS 6y ago

I guess it seems like a surprising view to have (to think that the government should let it run its course)? I mean, the evidence is pretty clear by now isn't it? Countries that responded to the pandemic with swift strong action, especially restrictions on movement, have had the best outcomes for both health and the economy. Countries that tried to protect the economy / their nation's finances by enacting watered down measures have fared very much worse. It's interesting to me how far views in different places have diverged on where the balance point is for this. Australia's recently been having a debate about whether or not 20 cases a day is enough to justify a full lockdown of a city (the NSW premier decided no) and border closures (most states decided yes). Meanwhile, in the UK...

fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
I don't think the evidence is clear. There are countries that were unsuccessful with their lockdowns, and countries were numbers were decreasing (because of lockdown or other reasons is unclear). Then there is China, whose numbers can't be trusted. And some remote island states seem to have done well. Most interesting case perhaps Taiwan (which incidentally also belongs to China).
- rswskg 6y ago
  The taiwanese people might have something to say about that.
  - fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
    About what - being part of China? I don't think so.
Supermancho 6y ago
> I mean, the evidence is pretty clear by now isn't it? I think the evidence is clear that it's endemic to the world (like Tuberculosis still is, with most ppl carrying a latent infection). Things are deadly in the world. As far as pandemics go, this one is about as bad as the modern world can handle...ok, some govts can handle. If economies/governments fall apart, it will run it's course as well. The bet that the entire world will lock down their borders and get vaccines every 6 mo for the rest of our lifetimes, is silly. Will corona basically be gone this year? Next year? The year after that? It's all hand wringing theater at this point. I think there's plenty of evidence that govts are taking advantage of the situation, but that's not the same as it being a grand conspiracy to release a virus for transhumanistic purposes (to get ppl used to getting govt injection). That's also nonsense.
ballenf 6y ago
Isn't is plausible, if not expected, that countries with different industries and economic structures would do differently with the exact same kind of lockdown plan? That is, a country that has a large WFH-capable population would feel less economic pain than another otherwise similar country? And thus, maybe a swift and harsh lockdown is the best move for one country, but the cons for another would outweigh the pros? That is another country would enter an economic decline that overall costs more lives than would have been saved? We don't know the answers to these questions, but I think we shouldn't dismiss these considerations.

by GlennS 6y ago

fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago

I don't think the evidence is clear. There are countries that were unsuccessful with their lockdowns, and countries were numbers were decreasing (because of lockdown or other reasons is unclear). Then there is China, whose numbers can't be trusted. And some remote island states seem to have done well. Most interesting case perhaps Taiwan (which incidentally also belongs to China).

rswskg 6y ago
The taiwanese people might have something to say about that.
- fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
  About what - being part of China? I don't think so.

Supermancho 6y ago

> I mean, the evidence is pretty clear by now isn't it? I think the evidence is clear that it's endemic to the world (like Tuberculosis still is, with most ppl carrying a latent infection). Things are deadly in the world. As far as pandemics go, this one is about as bad as the modern world can handle...ok, some govts can handle. If economies/governments fall apart, it will run it's course as well. The bet that the entire world will lock down their borders and get vaccines every 6 mo for the rest of our lifetimes, is silly. Will corona basically be gone this year? Next year? The year after that? It's all hand wringing theater at this point. I think there's plenty of evidence that govts are taking advantage of the situation, but that's not the same as it being a grand conspiracy to release a virus for transhumanistic purposes (to get ppl used to getting govt injection). That's also nonsense.

ballenf 6y ago

Isn't is plausible, if not expected, that countries with different industries and economic structures would do differently with the exact same kind of lockdown plan? That is, a country that has a large WFH-capable population would feel less economic pain than another otherwise similar country? And thus, maybe a swift and harsh lockdown is the best move for one country, but the cons for another would outweigh the pros? That is another country would enter an economic decline that overall costs more lives than would have been saved? We don't know the answers to these questions, but I think we shouldn't dismiss these considerations.