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The data you provided isn't easily compared to the data in the article. I did a pivot off the Jan 2019 data and got this... LONDON COMMISSIONING REGION

The data you provided isn't easily compared to the data in the article. I did a pivot off the Jan 2019 data and got this... LONDON COMMISSIONING REGION Adult Critical Care Beds: Open: 1033 Occupied: 882 -------------- Total: 1915 According to the Article London has... BEST CASE Adult Critical Care Beds: Unmitigated: 1392 Mitigated: 1661 So they lost 300-600 beds capacity since 2019?

lazyjones 6y ago
Austria and Germany also report lower total ICU capacities than 1 year ago before the start of the pandemic. Weird...
- Aeolun 6y ago
  We all got to save money. If you have 60% of your beds open you clearly don’t need all of them, so maybe that’s why they were first to go?
matthewmacleod 6y ago
AFAIK you have misunderstood the data; the “open” figure is not the number of unoccupied beds, but the total number of beds available for patients (1033) of which 882 were occupied by patients already (meaning 151 unoccupied).
- cptskippy 6y ago
  I disagree. The word open is superfluous if that's the case. What's the meaning of the word open if not unoccupied or available? Of course that begs the question, why did they use open instead of unoccupied? If open is meant to mean bed that can be utilized, then we don't have a true number of beds or a reason why a bed would be closed. Either way it's confusing but generally the term open as the opposite of occupied for filled. For example, open positions in a company aren't employees, they're vacancies.
  - matthewmacleod 6y ago
    You can disagree all you want you really are categorising these numbers incorrectly; the data as supplied lists the categories “open”, “occupied”, and “% of open beds occupied” - which seems pretty clear. There is inherently no “true number” of beds because this number varies in response to things like hospital space configuration, staffing levels, and demand. AFAIK the term “open” is analogous to that in “open for business” - there may be other physical “beds” available, but without staff or without some equipment or some other constraint that makes them not open. I do appreciate that it’s confusing, because I had to doh me check myself. But it’s not without reason that it’s described that way.
    - cptskippy 6y ago
      > You can disagree all you want you really are categorising these numbers incorrectly; the data as supplied lists the categories “open”, “occupied”, and “% of open beds occupied” - which seems pretty clear. I went back and looked and you're right. I didn't look at the XLS file, I just pulled the raw data from the CSV file which doesn't offer the %. It's clear from the XLS that the % is derived from occupied/open and not occupied/(open+occupied) as I was thinking.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    Open means the bed and staff are present, but not necessarily available because it might have a patient in it. This is compared to beds that are not available because eg the hospital is in critcon4.

lazyjones 6y ago

Austria and Germany also report lower total ICU capacities than 1 year ago before the start of the pandemic. Weird...

Aeolun 6y ago
We all got to save money. If you have 60% of your beds open you clearly don’t need all of them, so maybe that’s why they were first to go?

matthewmacleod 6y ago

AFAIK you have misunderstood the data; the “open” figure is not the number of unoccupied beds, but the total number of beds available for patients (1033) of which 882 were occupied by patients already (meaning 151 unoccupied).

cptskippy 6y ago
I disagree. The word open is superfluous if that's the case. What's the meaning of the word open if not unoccupied or available? Of course that begs the question, why did they use open instead of unoccupied? If open is meant to mean bed that can be utilized, then we don't have a true number of beds or a reason why a bed would be closed. Either way it's confusing but generally the term open as the opposite of occupied for filled. For example, open positions in a company aren't employees, they're vacancies.
- matthewmacleod 6y ago
  You can disagree all you want you really are categorising these numbers incorrectly; the data as supplied lists the categories “open”, “occupied”, and “% of open beds occupied” - which seems pretty clear. There is inherently no “true number” of beds because this number varies in response to things like hospital space configuration, staffing levels, and demand. AFAIK the term “open” is analogous to that in “open for business” - there may be other physical “beds” available, but without staff or without some equipment or some other constraint that makes them not open. I do appreciate that it’s confusing, because I had to doh me check myself. But it’s not without reason that it’s described that way.
  - cptskippy 6y ago
    > You can disagree all you want you really are categorising these numbers incorrectly; the data as supplied lists the categories “open”, “occupied”, and “% of open beds occupied” - which seems pretty clear. I went back and looked and you're right. I didn't look at the XLS file, I just pulled the raw data from the CSV file which doesn't offer the %. It's clear from the XLS that the % is derived from occupied/open and not occupied/(open+occupied) as I was thinking.
- DanBC 6y ago
  Open means the bed and staff are present, but not necessarily available because it might have a patient in it. This is compared to beds that are not available because eg the hospital is in critcon4.