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Being a member of the "liberal elite" (I think I am) I think it is our fault. We lost our mojo. We forgot that leadership is not leaving anybody behind. We l

by worik 6y ago

Being a member of the "liberal elite" (I think I am) I think it is our fault. We lost our mojo. We forgot that leadership is not leaving anybody behind. We left a lot of people behind, then we blamed them for not keeping up. Sorry, on behalf of my class, I really am sorry. The consequences, when we face ecological catastrophe, could be very serious indeed. Stay safe, people, and be kind

salawat 6y ago
Well, at least there's one sensible person here, but don't look at yourself as an Atlas. Like it or not, it's one of these dirty collective behavior issues we haven't all come to terms with yet.
api 6y ago
I think it goes back to how the culture war split the working class from the left and led the left to become associated with rich coastal mega-cities. The working class is predominately socially conservative.
- worik 6y ago
  Is there data to support the claim that working class people are more (or less) socially conservative than others?
flukus 6y ago
> We left a lot of people behind, then we blamed them for not keeping up. Haven't they been demanding to be left behind every step of the way? For decades they've opposed minimum wage, socialized healthcare, welfare, unions and just about anything "socialist" that would have helped them. Couple that with ever increasing urbanization that is not going to be reversed anytime soon, what could you possibly do to help them not be left behind?
- inglor_cz 6y ago
  "minimum wage, socialized healthcare, welfare, unions" We have those things in Europe and yet our economic periphery (Italy, Spain, Greece, to a degree France and former East Germany) is very similar to American rust belt. High unemployment, numerous industries collapsed, bitter voters casting their lot with populists and extremists. The Yellow Vests in France were much more violent than anything that happened in USA recently, and they were driven by the same combination of economic uncertainty and alienation from the political elite.

by worik 6y ago

salawat 6y ago

Well, at least there's one sensible person here, but don't look at yourself as an Atlas. Like it or not, it's one of these dirty collective behavior issues we haven't all come to terms with yet.

api 6y ago

I think it goes back to how the culture war split the working class from the left and led the left to become associated with rich coastal mega-cities. The working class is predominately socially conservative.

worik 6y ago
Is there data to support the claim that working class people are more (or less) socially conservative than others?

flukus 6y ago

> We left a lot of people behind, then we blamed them for not keeping up. Haven't they been demanding to be left behind every step of the way? For decades they've opposed minimum wage, socialized healthcare, welfare, unions and just about anything "socialist" that would have helped them. Couple that with ever increasing urbanization that is not going to be reversed anytime soon, what could you possibly do to help them not be left behind?

inglor_cz 6y ago
"minimum wage, socialized healthcare, welfare, unions" We have those things in Europe and yet our economic periphery (Italy, Spain, Greece, to a degree France and former East Germany) is very similar to American rust belt. High unemployment, numerous industries collapsed, bitter voters casting their lot with populists and extremists. The Yellow Vests in France were much more violent than anything that happened in USA recently, and they were driven by the same combination of economic uncertainty and alienation from the political elite.