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That's just moving from one silo to another though. Users of centralized services don't have much recourse when the company pulls the rug out from under them.
by Evidlo 6y ago
That's just moving from one silo to another though. Users of centralized services don't have much recourse when the company pulls the rug out from under them.
- andrewchambers 6y agoIf the backend is open source then there is recourse.
- Merman_Mike 6y ago.
- phepranto 6y agohttps://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server
- johnchristopher 6y agoIs there a readymade docker install ?
- GekkePrutser 6y agoThere's no point installing it as you can't use it. It's just provided for transparency. Not to run a home server like with matrix.
- utf_8x 6y agoYes it is: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server Telegram's backend is closed-source.
- NullPrefix 6y agoYeah, but your instance can't communicate with other Signal server instances, so it's pointless.
- tharkun__ 6y agoNo it's not pointless. It might just be pointless for the "socializing with random people" use case.
- NullPrefix 6y agoYes it is, because you can't join two servers at the same time. You run your own server, I run mine and we can't communicate until one of us decides to drop our whole network and join the other server.
- tharkun__ 6y agoThat's fine. As I mentioned, the use case you are talking about makes this pointless. Someone that needs a special set of phones to be able to communicate securely and not be reliant on a publicly run server? Here's a non pointless use case. I'll let imagine who might run something like that.
- utf_8x 6y agoTrue but you have to consider the app needs to be user friendly to see any real adoption... Don't get me wrong, I love Riot (or whatever it's called these days) but it's just not user-friendly for your average Joe...
- Arainach 6y agoUsers want centralized services. Syncing across devices and shared history are mandatory features, and are basically impossible to do well in distributed models.
- johnchristopher 6y agoI have never lost a matrix message (but I am fed up with e2e warning and new session weird insecure messages) but I have come to the conclusion than Signal isn't reliable since it sometimes lose messages. It's no-no.
- GekkePrutser 6y agoYeah the e2e is way too complex in matrix. They really need to work on the UX and make it more like WA and Signal. The way it is now even a crypto geek like me gets annoyed and that means the mainstream will never touch it.
- st1x7 6y agoThe problem isn't silos, it's lack of privacy. Signal solves that problem.
- FalconSensei 6y agoSignal isn't 100% private: you need a phone number, and you can't use on a computer unless you install the app on the phone first.
- mr_toad 6y agoIt’s not anonymous, but anonymity isn’t equivalent to privacy.
- baxtr 6y agoI have started to migrate from WhatsApp to iMessage with Apple and Signal with Android users. At least not a single silo...
- nkingsy 6y agoIsn’t the problem profit motive? Wikipedia is a foundation, so it works the same way it always has. We need this for more basic services like messaging and identity
- stabbles 6y agoYou can donate to Signal too. What has to happen until people realize they should be willing to pay a little money for a service? We've actually witnessed that people _are_ willing to pay for streaming services like Spotify and Netflix after a long time of illegal torrents. How can we spread this sentiment towards services like email and chat too?
- ubercow13 6y agoPeople were willing to pay for WhatsApp. It was exactly that simple, honest, high quality independent paid chat app you are alluding to, back in 2010 or so.
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- the_gipsy 6y agoIirc, it was 1€, and maybe it was even only on iOS. I remember vaguely getting convinced by a friend, "you just payed [200,300,idk]€ for that new phone, can't pay one euro for this one app?"
- franga2000 6y ago> How can we spread this sentiment towards services like email and chat too? We can't, because those two things are in direct opposition. Piracy was less convenient and offered fewer features that people wanted, so they moved to platforms that were more convenient. The current giants (Gmail, Facebook, WhatsApp...) are more convenient than their alternatives (generic email, Mastodon, Signal...) and so the pressure is not to move, but in fact to stay. In general, the pressure is always decentralised->centralised, which is exactly what torrents->Netflix was. Even if we had infinite funds to offer people distributed services for free forever, we would still need to make them more convenient than their current centralised ones - if on top of not being more convenient, we also want to charge them, I see no reason why the average person would ever want to switch.
- frereubu 6y agoCan you clarify what you mean by a "silo"? Do you mean once you start using Signal you're stuck in Signal, and you can't export all your messages into another app?
- AsyncAwait 6y agohttps://matrix.org https://matrix.org
- m-p-3 6y agoAnd what's nice is the multitude of clients you can use, from rather feature-complete (official app) to relatively user-friendly (ex: Pattle) https://matrix.org/clients/ https://matrix.org/clients/ And unlike Signal, you can host your own server (Synapse) instance and be truely independent with the ability to join the federated network.