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That's stupid. No impeachment process could ever finish on time.

noelsusman 6y ago
There's no reason why it would need to take more than a few minutes. It's not going to happen, but not due to time constraints.
ashtonkem 6y ago
It can be done in 30min if they want. Impeachment goes how congress wants it to, the only part of the process set in stone is the voting requirements. Edit: oh and the 25th amendment would allow trump to object and be effectively tried in the senate. That amendment is really designed more for “the president is in a coma” than for “the president is currently trying to overthrow the government”.
- threatofrain 6y ago
  If you rush impeachment, you will obliterate any productivity you sought for impeachment. The same is true for elections in that these aren't just procedural events, they are soul-defining events for a democracy, and the loss of credibility would be losing what matters most. Another Mueller would take forever to prepare a case for the American people.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    The republic is at stake and armed rioters have broken into the capital. To let the president do this and do nothing is to give up more credibility. It is to admit that the legislature is incapable of even providing for its own physical security, let alone the needs of their constituents.
    - meragrin_ 6y ago
      I keep seeing "armed rioters" but have not seen any evidence. Could you point me to it?
      - jcranmer 6y ago
        I have heard reports of gunfire being exchanged through the door to the House: https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1346905489561579532 https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1346905489561579532. Surely that would qualify as "armed", and the "rioter" I would hope should be self-evident.
        meragrin_ 6y ago
        The gunfire was probably of the unarmed woman getting shot and killed: https://twitter.com/ALQadiPAL/status/1346960691278848000 https://twitter.com/ALQadiPAL/status/1346960691278848000. Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting.
        yzmtf2008 6y ago
        > Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting. Did you get that from the same place that you got the idea that the election was stolen?
        meragrin_ 6y ago
        No, I got it from the evidence an unarmed woman was shot and killed while the faces at the door where the "shooting" by the "armed rioters" allegedly took place were unharmed. Where did you get the idea that I believe the election was stolen? From the comment where I said "Now if we get to day three of this crap with no signs of it letting up, the National Guard unable to control the situation, and Trump actively supporting them, definitely throw him out."?
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        eyelidlessness 6y ago
        > Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting. Seems more likely than an unarmed protestor shooting?
  - rocqua 6y ago
    Rushing impeachment makes sense if it is totally clear for all involved that impeachment needs to happen.
    - ashtonkem 6y ago
      Ideally it should be clear to everyone in Congress, yet...
  - hinkley 6y ago
    From what I understand, impeachment can also bar an individual from public office again. I'm not clear on whether that means the vote could extend past January 20th and the end result is that it goes on his permanent record.
kadoban 6y ago
Impeachment trial does not need to end when his term does. They can still bar him from any future office and show that the rule of law matters.
ansible 6y ago
Usually as part of the impeachment vote, the Senate also decides if the President should be banned from holding office ever again. This would prevent a 2024 run by 45.
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kayfox 6y ago
President Johnson was impeached 3 days after the offense for which he was impeached, the senate then voted on the removal 8 days after that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Andrew_Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Andrew_Johnson

There's no reason why it would need to take more than a few minutes. It's not going to happen, but not due to time constraints.

ashtonkem 6y ago

It can be done in 30min if they want. Impeachment goes how congress wants it to, the only part of the process set in stone is the voting requirements. Edit: oh and the 25th amendment would allow trump to object and be effectively tried in the senate. That amendment is really designed more for “the president is in a coma” than for “the president is currently trying to overthrow the government”.

threatofrain 6y ago
If you rush impeachment, you will obliterate any productivity you sought for impeachment. The same is true for elections in that these aren't just procedural events, they are soul-defining events for a democracy, and the loss of credibility would be losing what matters most. Another Mueller would take forever to prepare a case for the American people.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  The republic is at stake and armed rioters have broken into the capital. To let the president do this and do nothing is to give up more credibility. It is to admit that the legislature is incapable of even providing for its own physical security, let alone the needs of their constituents.
  - meragrin_ 6y ago
    I keep seeing "armed rioters" but have not seen any evidence. Could you point me to it?
    - jcranmer 6y ago
      I have heard reports of gunfire being exchanged through the door to the House: https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1346905489561579532 https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1346905489561579532. Surely that would qualify as "armed", and the "rioter" I would hope should be self-evident.
      - meragrin_ 6y ago
        The gunfire was probably of the unarmed woman getting shot and killed: https://twitter.com/ALQadiPAL/status/1346960691278848000 https://twitter.com/ALQadiPAL/status/1346960691278848000. Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting.
        yzmtf2008 6y ago
        > Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting. Did you get that from the same place that you got the idea that the election was stolen?
        meragrin_ 6y ago
        No, I got it from the evidence an unarmed woman was shot and killed while the faces at the door where the "shooting" by the "armed rioters" allegedly took place were unharmed. Where did you get the idea that I believe the election was stolen? From the comment where I said "Now if we get to day three of this crap with no signs of it letting up, the National Guard unable to control the situation, and Trump actively supporting them, definitely throw him out."?
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        eyelidlessness 6y ago
        > Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting. Seems more likely than an unarmed protestor shooting?
- rocqua 6y ago
  Rushing impeachment makes sense if it is totally clear for all involved that impeachment needs to happen.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    Ideally it should be clear to everyone in Congress, yet...
- hinkley 6y ago
  From what I understand, impeachment can also bar an individual from public office again. I'm not clear on whether that means the vote could extend past January 20th and the end result is that it goes on his permanent record.

kadoban 6y ago

Impeachment trial does not need to end when his term does. They can still bar him from any future office and show that the rule of law matters.

ansible 6y ago

Usually as part of the impeachment vote, the Senate also decides if the President should be banned from holding office ever again. This would prevent a 2024 run by 45.

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kayfox 6y ago

President Johnson was impeached 3 days after the offense for which he was impeached, the senate then voted on the removal 8 days after that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Andrew_Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Andrew_Johnson