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Or impeach & convict. He’s a threat to the republic, and he has to go.
by ashtonkem 6y ago
Or impeach & convict. He’s a threat to the republic, and he has to go.
- threatofrain 6y agoThat's stupid. No impeachment process could ever finish on time.
- noelsusman 6y agoThere's no reason why it would need to take more than a few minutes. It's not going to happen, but not due to time constraints.
- ashtonkem 6y agoIt can be done in 30min if they want. Impeachment goes how congress wants it to, the only part of the process set in stone is the voting requirements. Edit: oh and the 25th amendment would allow trump to object and be effectively tried in the senate. That amendment is really designed more for “the president is in a coma” than for “the president is currently trying to overthrow the government”.
- threatofrain 6y agoIf you rush impeachment, you will obliterate any productivity you sought for impeachment. The same is true for elections in that these aren't just procedural events, they are soul-defining events for a democracy, and the loss of credibility would be losing what matters most. Another Mueller would take forever to prepare a case for the American people.
- ashtonkem 6y agoThe republic is at stake and armed rioters have broken into the capital. To let the president do this and do nothing is to give up more credibility. It is to admit that the legislature is incapable of even providing for its own physical security, let alone the needs of their constituents.
- meragrin_ 6y agoI keep seeing "armed rioters" but have not seen any evidence. Could you point me to it?
- jcranmer 6y agoI have heard reports of gunfire being exchanged through the door to the House: https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1346905489561579532 https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1346905489561579532. Surely that would qualify as "armed", and the "rioter" I would hope should be self-evident.
- meragrin_ 6y agoThe gunfire was probably of the unarmed woman getting shot and killed: https://twitter.com/ALQadiPAL/status/1346960691278848000 https://twitter.com/ALQadiPAL/status/1346960691278848000. Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting.
- yzmtf2008 6y ago> Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting. Did you get that from the same place that you got the idea that the election was stolen?
- meragrin_ 6y agoNo, I got it from the evidence an unarmed woman was shot and killed while the faces at the door where the "shooting" by the "armed rioters" allegedly took place were unharmed. Where did you get the idea that I believe the election was stolen? From the comment where I said "Now if we get to day three of this crap with no signs of it letting up, the National Guard unable to control the situation, and Trump actively supporting them, definitely throw him out."?
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- rocqua 6y agoRushing impeachment makes sense if it is totally clear for all involved that impeachment needs to happen.
- ashtonkem 6y agoIdeally it should be clear to everyone in Congress, yet...
- hinkley 6y agoFrom what I understand, impeachment can also bar an individual from public office again. I'm not clear on whether that means the vote could extend past January 20th and the end result is that it goes on his permanent record.
- kadoban 6y agoImpeachment trial does not need to end when his term does. They can still bar him from any future office and show that the rule of law matters.
- ansible 6y agoUsually as part of the impeachment vote, the Senate also decides if the President should be banned from holding office ever again. This would prevent a 2024 run by 45.
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- kayfox 6y agoPresident Johnson was impeached 3 days after the offense for which he was impeached, the senate then voted on the removal 8 days after that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Andrew_Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Andrew_Johnson
- tubbyjr 6y agowow, you should really become a policymaker. Pour gasoline on the fire, really wish I came up with that one
- dragontamer 6y agoCan't impeach if the capital isn't secure.
- birdyrooster 6y agoI am sure they can convene in a bunker somewhere
- ithkuil 6y agoOr over zoom like everybody else?
- birdyrooster 6y agonation state deep fake has entered the call
- Hnrobert42 6y agoI am sitting here feeling awful and anxious about this. Thank a for the laugh. :-)
- ianai 6y agoJust has to be delivered to those officials. Where ever they are.
- jcranmer 6y agoI wrote my Representative and Senators an hour ago to urge them to impeach/convict respectively. The bar for when incitement to violence loses its constitutionally-protected status is "incitement to imminent lawless act" (from Brandenburg v Ohio). Trump's speech earlier today probably qualifies as passing that bar. That is clearly an impeachable offense. Ilhan Omar is apparently already writing up Articles of Impeachment: https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1346934098384793606 https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1346934098384793606
- meragrin_ 6y agoWouldn't that cause him to be an even greater threat? It would "justify" an escalation.
- Buttons840 6y agoDo you believe Trump has some super dangerous card to play when he's about to be removed from office? Because impeachment or not, I think he's about to be removed from office.
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- meragrin_ 6y agoIt is not about Trump himself, but his supporters. If they are taking his election loss like this, how do you suppose they would take forceful removal from office?
- jdmn73 6y agoYou can't let their threats of violence prevent continued function of the US government
- krapp 6y agoAt least thousands of armchair revolutionaries will finally have their pet theories on the efficacy of the Second Amendment put to the test.
- meragrin_ 6y agoUnnecessarily and forcefully removing Trump from office prior to Biden's inauguration will only decrease the ability of the US government to function. After a few hours and only a feeble attempt to control the situation? It could be the final whimper of disgruntled Trump supporters who go home the next day. Now if we get to day three of this crap with no signs of it letting up, the National Guard unable to control the situation, and Trump actively supporting them, definitely throw him out.
- willis936 6y agoConvict takes 2/3. DC falling is more likely than the miracle that has republicans crossing party lines to alienate their monstrous base.
- brink 6y agoBoth sides have monstrous bases. Have you already forgotten the summer riots? It sucks.
- ashtonkem 6y agoI am sick and fucking tired of both sides-ism.
- wreath 6y agoNo. You're sick of seeing the one side you support being in the wrong and doing exactly what you despise in the opposite side. It makes one sick and fucking tired indeed.
- omni 6y agoCan you please provide examples of the liberal side trying to violently overturn the results of an election, or the liberal side murdering people in the streets like at Charlottesville or more recently in Kenosha?
- wreath 6y agoNo that hasn't been done by the left before as far as I know. What i know though is that last summer the BLM protests were burning buildings and looting business, if that's not violence I have no clue what the hell is.
- omni 6y agoSorry so just to be clear, the left hasn't been "doing exactly what [I] despise in the opposite side" which is to say literally murdering people? This is what sibling commenter meant by stop with the both-sidesism. Smashing up a Target and murdering a person are not the same thing. You're apologizing for murderers, congratulations.