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No, applying the maximum penalty allowed by law after going through the proper process isn't "murder." Treason and insurrection are serious matters.

ALittleLight 6y ago
Declaring things "treason and insurrection" and then proceeding to summary execution sounds more like a tyrannical dictatorship than a free Republic. The protesters shouldn't be doing this, but that doesn't mean our police forces should start slaughtering our citizens.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  Uh, the comment talks about trials and conviction, not "summary".
  - ALittleLight 6y ago
    The parent comment literally says "and why have the attackers not been shot?" It seems like gaslighting to say "Why haven't the protesters been shot" and then pretend like what was meant was "After they've been legally tried and convicted." The punishment for trespassing on the Capitol building is not death. Calling for the police to murder protesters is immoral.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > The parent comment literally says "and why have the attackers not been shot?" No, it doesn't, nor does anything upthread back to the one that was originally mischaracterized as calling for murder, which says: “Everyone identified and involved in this should be arrested, tried, and if convicted executed.” > It seems like gaslighting to say "Why haven't the protesters been shot" and then pretend like what was meant was "After they've been legally tried and convicted." It also seems like gaslighting to invent a quote that was never posted, and then accuse someone of gaslighting based on that quote.
      - ALittleLight 6y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25661643 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25661643
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        That’s not the parent comment of the one pointing to “the parent comment”, nor even the parent comment of the comment four steps upthread from your “the parent comment” reference accusing its parent of advocating murder, nor is it from the same poster as either of those.
        ALittleLight 6y ago
        I don't think we can have a productive conversation. I told you what I meant, quoted what I was responding to, and linked it. You seem to be insistent on intentionally misunderstanding or splitting hairs so you can invent some way my comment was wrong ("It wasn't a parent comment! It was a parent of a parent..."). Gaslighting and intentionally misunderstanding strike me as trolling behaviors.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > I told you what I meant, quoted what I was responding to, and linked it. And its not a post by the person who you were accusing, but by someone else, far upthread, whose position the person you are attacking never endorsed. If you want to criticize the person who advocated summary execution for doing so, fine. But its ludicrous to attack someone who explicitly advocated arrest, trial and punishment based on criminal conviction for “gaslighting” for merely saying in a later comment that they were advocating exactly what they advocated earlier in the discussion, and not what someone else had advocated.
        ALittleLight 6y ago
        The penalty for trespassing in the Capitol is not and never has been death. Calling trespass and vandalism treason and sedition and saying that these minor crimes merit the death penalty is egregiously immoral and dishonest. "Summary execution" refers, not only, to police shooting protesters on sight, but also to sham trials with extreme and unlawful sentences. I am criticizing the people who called for summary execution. It's immoral and unlawful.
kortilla 6y ago
Calling for the max punishment of people directly is inciting violence. > Treason and insurrection are serious matters. They are, but this is no different than people claiming Snowden should be “tried, convicted, and executed”. It’s just lipstick on calling for his murder because there is no actual presumption of innocence.

ALittleLight 6y ago

Declaring things "treason and insurrection" and then proceeding to summary execution sounds more like a tyrannical dictatorship than a free Republic. The protesters shouldn't be doing this, but that doesn't mean our police forces should start slaughtering our citizens.

Dylan16807 6y ago
Uh, the comment talks about trials and conviction, not "summary".
- ALittleLight 6y ago
  The parent comment literally says "and why have the attackers not been shot?" It seems like gaslighting to say "Why haven't the protesters been shot" and then pretend like what was meant was "After they've been legally tried and convicted." The punishment for trespassing on the Capitol building is not death. Calling for the police to murder protesters is immoral.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > The parent comment literally says "and why have the attackers not been shot?" No, it doesn't, nor does anything upthread back to the one that was originally mischaracterized as calling for murder, which says: “Everyone identified and involved in this should be arrested, tried, and if convicted executed.” > It seems like gaslighting to say "Why haven't the protesters been shot" and then pretend like what was meant was "After they've been legally tried and convicted." It also seems like gaslighting to invent a quote that was never posted, and then accuse someone of gaslighting based on that quote.
    - ALittleLight 6y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25661643 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25661643
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        That’s not the parent comment of the one pointing to “the parent comment”, nor even the parent comment of the comment four steps upthread from your “the parent comment” reference accusing its parent of advocating murder, nor is it from the same poster as either of those.
        ALittleLight 6y ago
        I don't think we can have a productive conversation. I told you what I meant, quoted what I was responding to, and linked it. You seem to be insistent on intentionally misunderstanding or splitting hairs so you can invent some way my comment was wrong ("It wasn't a parent comment! It was a parent of a parent..."). Gaslighting and intentionally misunderstanding strike me as trolling behaviors.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > I told you what I meant, quoted what I was responding to, and linked it. And its not a post by the person who you were accusing, but by someone else, far upthread, whose position the person you are attacking never endorsed. If you want to criticize the person who advocated summary execution for doing so, fine. But its ludicrous to attack someone who explicitly advocated arrest, trial and punishment based on criminal conviction for “gaslighting” for merely saying in a later comment that they were advocating exactly what they advocated earlier in the discussion, and not what someone else had advocated.
        ALittleLight 6y ago
        The penalty for trespassing in the Capitol is not and never has been death. Calling trespass and vandalism treason and sedition and saying that these minor crimes merit the death penalty is egregiously immoral and dishonest. "Summary execution" refers, not only, to police shooting protesters on sight, but also to sham trials with extreme and unlawful sentences. I am criticizing the people who called for summary execution. It's immoral and unlawful.

kortilla 6y ago

Calling for the max punishment of people directly is inciting violence. > Treason and insurrection are serious matters. They are, but this is no different than people claiming Snowden should be “tried, convicted, and executed”. It’s just lipstick on calling for his murder because there is no actual presumption of innocence.